What Happened to Justin Bergman?

Why? The man is doing real work. Helping people and getting paid. You make it sound like a sales job should be seen as some sort of lesser career.
I'm not saying anything against a sales job. I've done them myself. But if you're among the best in the world in a sport, I suspect you would prefer to be playing that sport if there was a feasible way to do it and properly make a living and raise a family.
 
Impossible to open a pool room in 98% of la.

Not a viable economic idea.

So we have no rooms.

And if someone was dumb enough to open a room, nobody living here would remember/know what a pool room is. Biz would be slow-even in the best location with the best equipment. Pool is finished in LA period. If it wasn’t I’d have opened a room years ago. I’ve discussed this with Jay several times. It just isn’t a option

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Fatboy
We came close in Vegas once. I remember that. The only thing that stopped us was not being able to get a liquor license. N. Las Vegas is Mormon controlled and highly regulated. Am I right about that or not?
 
If an 801 Fargo rated player is selling windows for a living, doesn't that tell us all we need to know?

Do any of us really think he wouldn't prefer to spend his days at the pool table?
It depends. Maybe he just doesn't like all of the traveling around the world that's involved with professional pool? I would say that would be a big factor in my decision.
 
Hey Poolplaya, thanks for the reply.

I agree a lot of pool players live it up a little. They don't work, they are traveling around, eating out all the time, and doing whatever they want. The thing is that many of them don't have anything to their name. It's called living like a millionaire when you're flat broke.

Most of these full time players don't own their own home. They live with family or with a girlfriend, or rent someone's basement bedroom for $200 a month. (What do you call a pool player who breaks up with his girlfriend? Homeless.) Many don't have children to support. They aren't paying taxes or saving for retirement or investing. They have everything they own in a bankroll that fluctuates from a few thousand or even a few tens of thousands, all the way down to zero. Sometimes they run it up, sometimes they bust out and have to borrow, then they go negative for a bit, then they bink a tournament or a gambling score and pay it off. But at the end of the day they have not much to show for their efforts.

All that is fine if you want to avoid the responsibility of a job and just live a party on the road lifestyle, but they are sacrificing any type of ability to provide for themselves or anyone else beyond food and clothes.

Now, as for opening pool rooms or teaching. Look. I am a full time pool instructor. I also compete in pro events. Am I a pro pool player? No. I am a pro coach that competes in pro events. If someone has a big facebook following and they blog their tournament progress for thousands of views and get enough sponsor money to eat while busting out of pro tournament after pro tournament, are they a pro pool player? Or are they a professional blogger that plays in pro events? I think that if you have to use your pool reputation to attract attention to another business you have to run and operate then you didn't exactly make it as a pro tournament player.

As for the pool rooms, most of these players are being backed into a pool room by an investor who gives a slice to the pro player to use their reputation and enlist them as a house pro. Not many players use tournament winnings to invest in real estate. Archer may have, but he is a player of the decade. You don't see Jeremy Sossei winning 100K in a tournament to open a room.

Finally, I don't believe that semi-pro players can pick up thousands and thousands locally and regionally on a month to month basis. Sure, you might have a month where you win 3-4K, but that is a big score. Many months you are going to go dry on finding good tournaments or you'll bust out (expenses are a beast). So some months you might only win 1K, or heaven forbid make a bad game and go backwards. It's really easy to look at the 2-3 months a year a player scores 3-4K and think they are making 50K annually, but if you average it out it's probably 1-2K a month. Again, good enough to rent someone's basement and eat Taco Bell or live with a girlfriend and not pay child support.

In short- if you sacrifice raising children, buying a home, and preparing for the future, and just want to make enough to get to the next tournament, yes, you can 'make a living'. If you want to include people who teach, sell cues, and act as house pros at pool rooms, yes, I guess that's a living. But if you're talking about tournament players who earn enough in competition alone to provide a reasonable lifestyle you are down to like 7 people in the world. 820 Fargo Rate or need not apply.
With all due respect Dimitry, There is one factor that many of us overlook. Some young people (and even some who are a little older) LOVE the game of Pool! That's all they want to do at that point in their life, play pool and compete with others, win or lose. Who is to say what is the right decision for them? My opinion is every man (or woman) has to find their own path in life and following their dream should be part of it. Certainly our 20's and into our 30's is a time of discovery for most of us. We are finding our way in the world and charting a path for our future. Very few people know what they want to do for the rest of their life when they are thirty years old. They are still searching and learning. For most of us our most productive years are when we are in our 40's and 50's.

I appreciate my "wasted" years from age 18 to 28, when all I had was my cue, my car and a couple pairs of jeans and some white t-shirts. That was all I needed and all I wanted. I rarely had more than a few hundred dollars to my name, but it was enough. I found out in those years who I was, what I was made of, and what I could do. I learned to believe in myself and trust myself. That "education" has held me in good stead for the rest of my life, and I've put it to good use in all my endeavors. Things didn't turn out so bad for Toupee Jay the shortstop pool player!
 
Notice the 8 ball and the 9 ball. Just cleaned out my desk, came across a few old biz cards. Makes me wonder what Dave Thompson is doing these days.
 

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We came close in Vegas once. I remember that. The only thing that stopped us was not being able to get a liquor license. N. Las Vegas is Mormon controlled and highly regulated. Am I right about that or not?
All of Clark County is controlled by the Mormons. City Hall, Gaming Commission, Clark County Treasurer, etc.

North Las Vegas is its own separate City government and has some stricter rules. It’s not pro-biz like Vegas, unincorporated Clark County(the majority of Las Vegas falls into that category) and Henderson is also very pro-biz.

I recall one pool room in North Town(what locals call it) it didn’t last a year. There wasn’t much there back then but the hood and a few old wore out businesses. Since I’ve moved it has really been developed, still has funny laws, isn’t very progressive. However now it probably wouldn’t be a problem to get a beer & wine license. A restricted 15 machine gaming license it what really matters. That’s the golden ticket for any pool room in town.

Pool has got much stronger in Vegas since I moved out. I’d imagine it’s a viable biz in Vegas with a 15 machine license. But still tough action. Griff turned around a dead room-it could be recreated there again.

Best
Eric 😃
 
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With all due respect Dimitry, There is one factor that many of us overlook. Some young people (and even some who are a little older) LOVE the game of Pool! That's all they want to do at that point in their life, play pool and compete with others, win or lose. Who is to say what is the right decision for them? My opinion is every man (or woman) has to find their own path in life and following their dream should be part of it. Certainly our 20's and into our 30's is a time of discovery for most of us. We are finding our way in the world and charting a path for our future. Very few people know what they want to do for the rest of their life when they are thirty years old. They are still searching and learning. For most of us our most productive years are when we are in our 40's and 50's.

I appreciate my "wasted" years from age 18 to 28, when all I had was my cue, my car and a couple pairs of jeans and some white t-shirts. That was all I needed and all I wanted. I rarely had more than a few hundred dollars to my name, but it was enough. I found out in those years who I was, what I was made of, and what I could do. I learned to believe in myself and trust myself. That "education" has held me in good stead for the rest of my life, and I've put it to good use in all my endeavors. Things didn't turn out so bad for Toupee Jay the shortstop pool player!
Hey Jay!

We don’t disagree about any of this.

If you read my last post I was simply debunking the idea that lower level pro pool players are living an exotic lifestyle simply because the perception of them traveling, eating out, not having to work, and making the occasional score. Perception and reality are very different, particularly with people cherry picking high water mark moments for social media. We both know most of the players on the tournament trail are making tremendous sacrifices to follow that path.

To your point, for many it is a worthy sacrifice. Pool is the best game ever and it is very satisfying to try to manifest your potential and develop yourself into a player capable of winning at the highest levels. I’m not judging those who make the sacrifice, I’m just saying there is a price to pay.

But to your other point, I also agree best case scenario is to pursue pool when you are younger. I believe this is why the game is full of young champions. I don’t think it’s because players in their 40s and 50s can’t compete at the top level. I believe it is because there are far more players in their teens and 20s who can devote their full attention to the game. Players who spend those years pursuing pool still have time for family and other life pursuits as they teach their thirties, just as you did.

Again, if some players never want to turn away from the game that is their choice and I am not judging it. But for me and you, we are both happy with the choices we made.
 
If an 801 Fargo rated player is selling windows for a living, doesn't that tell us all we need to know?

Do any of us really think he wouldn't prefer to spend his days at the pool table?
He wouldn't....pool burned him out.
Burned bridges and the pro circuit turned on him.

Plays locally some...jam up still.
 
Also, if my old age memory serves, Dechaine said the real job released him from the feeling of having to win...
Must be a lot of pressure being a top pro...much higher than playing for beer money.
 
Then there are the guys who wise up and see how well the owners/operators of the rooms they are playing in are doing, and the good living they are making. They drive nice cars and live in their own homes. Some of these players then aspire to have a room of their own. That phenomena has been going on as long as I've been around the game. I was one of those guys a long time ago, trying to grind out a living playing $5 and $10 9-Ball and $20 One Pocket. That gets old quick and for me it all changed at the age of 27 when I bought my first poolroom. I never wanted to go looking for games again. Let them come to me!

I see where Joey Gray just opened up his new room and I wish him the best of luck. Even in this computer age he will do well if he runs his business properly. It is people like Joey who aren't afraid to build a brand new poolroom who will keep our game alive. If you have such ambition I say go for it! Do not believe all the naysayers who say it cannot be done. It can! And no, you don't have to own the building. That is another fallacy that is foisted on you. There is ample vacant space and willing landlords who own the space that will accommodate you. The key is to get a good lease, where you control the space for a long period of time, long enough to build a good business and can make a nice living for a number of years. Five to ten years in a profitable poolroom and you will be in a good place financially.

A good lease will number one allow you some free time (at least three months) to set up and build out your business before you begin to pay rent. Number two the landlord will help you with things like installing restrooms and a proper kitchen set up. They may even remove obstructions inside the space to accommodate your pool tables. A good lease should be anywhere from ten to fifteen years long and broken up into renewable options at a set price. For instance I had one lease on a 7,200 square foot building that was five years long, with two additional five year options. I could have that place for fifteen years before needing to renew my lease. That was a strong lease! My last lease at Hollywood Park was three years with 2 three year options, so I was good for nine years which was very acceptable to me. One other thing to be aware of is who is responsible for maintenance of the building. Typically the landlord is responsible for anything outside the walls, including the roof and everything on top of it, like AC and heating equipment. You do not want the responsiblility of maintaining this equipment! Everything else inside the building is your responsibility, like electrical outlets, interior plumbing, etc.

I like seeing some of the current generation of players who have been around awhile, who have the ambition to start their own business. Pool is not going away, but we need ambitious people to keep it alive and well. These guys and gals who are in their 30's and 40's now are the perfect age to start their own business. They have both experience and youth going for them. They have seen what a successful room looks like and have an idea what to do. So once again I say go for it! It will not be easy, there is a lot of hard work and long hours involved, but it will be worth it when you see your bank account grow.

Great post, wish I could follow the pool room route but where I live, the local better bearue business, or whatever they are called, are making it so hard for me to open one up. They legit think all it will bring is problems. That and I wish I was not forced into having a kitchen as I feel I can do better with just vending machines of sodas and snacks.

But that's why I'm more than likely heading to the regional tour model.
 
All of Clark County is controlled by the Mormons. City Hall, Gaming Commission, Clark County Treasurer, etc.

North Las Vegas is its own separate City government and has some stricter rules. It’s not pro-biz like Vegas, unincorporated Clark County(the majority of Las Vegas falls into that category) and Henderson is also very pro-biz.

I recall one pool room in North Town(what locals call it) it didn’t last a year. There wasn’t much there back then but the hood and a few old wore out businesses. Since I’ve moved it has really been developed, still has funny laws, isn’t very progressive. However now it probably wouldn’t be a problem to get a beer & wine license. A restricted 15 machine gaming license it what really matters. That’s the golden ticket for any pool room in town.

Pool has got much stronger in Vegas since I moved out. I’d imagine it’s a viable biz in Vegas with a 15 machine license. But still tough action. Griff turned around a dead room-it could be recreated there again.

Best
Eric 😃
In case someone is looking i heard thru the 'vine that Mickey's is for sale and they have 15 machines in there.
 
All of Clark County is controlled by the Mormons. City Hall, Gaming Commission, Clark County Treasurer, etc.

North Las Vegas is its own separate City government and has some stricter rules. It’s not pro-biz like Vegas, unincorporated Clark County(the majority of Las Vegas falls into that category) and Henderson is also very pro-biz.

I recall one pool room in North Town(what locals call it) it didn’t last a year. There wasn’t much there back then but the hood and a few old wore out businesses. Since I’ve moved it has really been developed, still has funny laws, isn’t very progressive. However now it probably wouldn’t be a problem to get a beer & wine license. A restricted 15 machine gaming license it what really matters. That’s the golden ticket for any pool room in town.

Pool has got much stronger in Vegas since I moved out. I’d imagine it’s a viable biz in Vegas with a 15 machine license. But still tough action. Griff turned around a dead room-it could be recreated there again.

Best
Eric 😃
Amazing how a guy can be mayor for a long time and then say honey, you run for mayor now, and win.
 
Amazing how a guy can be mayor for a long time and then say honey, you run for mayor now, and win.
That was something else, lots of funny things happen in Vega, not haha funny.

I have met Oscar many times in Vegas as it was a small place. I retained his son Ross for a few small matters, he was good.

I moved out of town before Oscar’s wife became mayor.
 
What is Justin doing? Waiting for his new cue. Next month we become cue sponsor for Justin. Ebony cue with SS360/2 kielwood shaft. Practice, tournament, on the road for a couple of weeks. He will be at the SBE in April, as will we.
I was wondering if he was still using Kielwood.
 
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