What if Ronnie O moved over to pool

LMFAO

Ronnie would destroy everyone, practicing for 6-12 months, would not even be close

look at all the lesser snooker guys like Appleton, Peach, Drago, etc..........

ronnie is the greatest to ever pick up a cue in any cue sport, it's hard for alot to accept that, but it is what it is
 
pool fundamentals are way different than snooker. i think cue ball control is more crucial in pool than in snooker because of the smaller table. it is easier to make a mistake in pool and much harder to correct these mistakes, especially in rotation games. a few inches short can completely change the rack. ronnie's pocketing is superior but gameplay and strategy are also important in pool games. he will also need to learn how to break good.
 
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LMFAO

Ronnie would destroy everyone, practicing for 6-12 months, would not even be close

look at all the lesser snooker guys like Appleton, Peach, Drago, etc..........

ronnie is the greatest to ever pick up a cue in any cue sport, it's hard for alot to accept that, but it is what it is

For the thousandth time, Appleton was not a snooker player.
 
Daz i believe it was, said it would take him a couple of years to learn the rotation games-safes strategies etc.

If he had come here when he was 24, yes i believe he would be the top player by 28. Currently he would still break into the top 5 HERE in a couple years imo

That's probably what they said when Allsion Fisher came over...She was murdering everyone the 2nd she got off the plane. Lol I think he is such a once in a life time talent that he would be giving svb all he wanted with in months. the biggest thing that I feel held him back playing 9 ball was his cue. He used his snooker cue and it seemed it was tougher for him to apply the spin needed in american rotation.
 
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any top snooker player switching to pool should have his head examined...don't they make a ton more playing snooker in England?? I seem to recall a million dollar snooker championships or something like that but not sure if there's still big money in it...

Were not talking about money..just the ability to play the game. The money part of it is a no brainer. Of course he wouldn't come over here. Svb is making more money then any pro player and that still pails in comparison to what they make. Snooker tournaments usually have High run pay outs that pay more then any of our tournaments pay for first place lol
 
It seems to me that the transition for snooker players to pool is easier than the other way around. Snooker players have solid fundamentals and not much movement. They pocket balls very well. Their biggest setbacks would be cueball control, the break, and strategy. Their shot making would be top notch. So, I could see Ronnie being a top 10 player within a year.

If RO has good fundamentals and nothing else, how can he possibly get into the top 10 within a year?

If fundamentals were so important in the first place, then why are players with excellent fundamentals the ones at the top of the rankings now?
 
If fundamentals were so important in the first place, then why are players with excellent fundamentals the ones at the top of the rankings now?

Eh? Aren't you answering your own question there?


It's a topic that's been done to death, but if Ronnie was serious about it, worked a lot on his break and made a real effort to learn the game, then of course he'd do well. It would take time, though, and there are a fair few ifs in there.
 
Eh? Aren't you answering your own question there?


It's a topic that's been done to death, but if Ronnie was serious about it, worked a lot on his break and made a real effort to learn the game, then of course he'd do well. It would take time, though, and there are a fair few ifs in there.

Nope, I was responding to the person I quoted. It was his assertion not mine.

My view is that fundamentals are not overly important in pool - which is why Americans have got away with it for so many years :thumbup:
 
Nope, I was responding to the person I quoted. It was his assertion not mine.

My view is that fundamentals are not overly important in pool - which is why Americans have got away with it for so many years :thumbup:

But if the top players are (generally) the ones with the excellent fundamentals, doesn't that indicate that they are important?

I don't think they are nearly as important in pool as in snooker, but they still make a clear difference at the top level (in my opinion).
 
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I was reading the thread about Alex going to play snooker in the UK and it seems that there a quite a few people who don't give him any kind of chance. So I was wondering what if Ronnie O'Sullivan made an announcement that he was going to quit snooker and come to the USA and focus on Pool?? How do we think he would do? Would people say he has no shot as he is too old to excel? Or do we think he would just win everything?

We all know Cory Duel shoots pool like God, you would think he would easily just go and bang some balls in snooker, apparently it is not as easy! from this video it looks like what he learned in pool all was wrong and has to abandon his pool stroke to get ready for snooker. Snooker is extremely tough game to master; I see Ronnie in six months stepping on every pro with ease, but the only problem Ronnie will have is pool has the luck factor and at times it might not be on his favor and loose some matches. But playing 9 ball or 10 ball on a snooker table he will dominate for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVI2oaNq6E8
 
That's probably what they said when Allsion Fisher came over...She was murdering everyone the 2nd she got off the plane. Lol I think he is such a once in a life time talent that he would be giving svb all he wanted with in months. the biggest thing that I feel held him back playing 9 ball was his cue. He used his snooker cue and it seemed it was tougher for him to apply the spin needed in american rotation.

Women's pool is a very much weaker standard with many many times less the number of players. Far easier to dominate.
 
But if the top players are (generally) the ones with the excellent fundamentals, doesn't that indicate that they are important?

I don't think they are nearly as important in pool as in snooker, but they still make a clear difference at the top level (in my opinion).

Your average pool player has a shoddy cue action compared to your average snooker player. That is because it is less important.

Snooker is a simple game. Play in to areas. Lots of reds to choose from. Build a break. When you run into trouble - play safe.

He who pots well and builds breaks - wins..

Pool is about fundamentals (yes of course) but also knowledge, tactics, kicks, nudges, rolls, the break is a factor (a big factor), etc, etc, etc..
 
We all know Cory Duel shoots pool like God, you would think he would easily just go and bang some balls in snooker, apparently it is not as easy! from this video it looks like what he learned in pool all was wrong and has to abandon his pool stroke to get ready for snooker. Snooker is extremely tough game to master; I see Ronnie in six months stepping on every pro with ease, but the only problem Ronnie will have is pool has the luck factor and at times it might not be on his favor and loose some matches. But playing 9 ball or 10 ball on a snooker table he will dominate for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVI2oaNq6E8

"Playing 9 ball or 10 ball on a Snooker table"...this happens? Other than just for fun?

I think most people on here have a very poor grasp of the concept that the different games have *different* demands and skill sets. SVB has a great talent for sure anyone would agree. He has worked VERY hard on just his break. While it may be the best, he has plenty of improvement he can still make. Ronnie could come here and do NOTHING but practice breaking for 8 hours a day for years and would likely not surpass or even equal Shane in this one factor. Of course this would mean he is totally ignoring all the other facets of the game which are totally different from Snooker.

The people that say Ronnie would dominate pro pool in six months or whatever sound just as stupid as the ones that say he would have no chance. Ronnie's time and accomplishments in Snooker, as well as the snooker stroke he has spent so much time developing and perfecting, would be more of a handicap than a benefit for playing *men's* pro pool at a high level. The Alison Fisher example is not a very good one. Let's face it, there really were not any female pros before Alison that were particularly great (in the context of *all* players, including men). It isn't because Alison was a snooker player that she excelled in pool. It was because she had a very practiced, highly developed tournament game, and was essentially a champion competitor playing in a field of girls that were *nowhere* near her skill level. This would simply not be the context *at all* for Ronnie. He is a great great player for sure. But foolish bias (the thing I'm very familiar with must be more intricate and demanding than the the thing I'm not as familiar with) is a poor basis for any real argument.

I hope he does make the switch...it would bring some much needed reality to the conversation.

KMRUNOUT
 
Safety in Snooker
Snooker matches can turn on a dime into safety marathons.

Once saw two top pros take 15 minutes of dueling before the first ball was potted.

Here is one.
At around the 25 minute mark there are 5 balls left. It took more than 20 minutes more to complete the frame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2KE_lLWNdY

And that is a short one.

The longest frame played involved Dave Harold and Shaun Murphy in the 2008 Honghe Industrial China Open. It was the deciding frame in a 5-3 win for Murphy. The frame lasted 93 minutes and 12 seconds.
 
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snooker players are great shotmakers, and they do well when they move to pool, but you need years to learn english, english off the rails, patterns, strategies, safties, etc..... its a different animal, snooker players look down on pool with a condescending tone saying its a superior sport or more difficult, I think they are both great, but its comparing apples to oranges. Ronnie O is too old to compete seriously with today's talent. JMHO
 
Ronnie is obviously very talented and has a precision stroke, so I would expect him to have no trouble pocketing balls. However, while Ronnie and other top snooker players separate themselves from other snooker pros with their ability to make very difficult shots, pool neutralizes some of that advantage because there are so few really difficult shots on a pool table if your position play is good.

I think it would take a little longer for him to find the limits when cheating a pocket, banking, or shooting down a rail. There are a lot of standard shots in pool that are extraordinary shots on a snooker table, so your shot selection and position play needthat s to adapt to take advantage of the additional possibilities. The good news for him is that everything that goes on a snooker table still goes on a pool table; this is probably the most significant reason that it's easier to go from snooker to pool than the other way around. If you're a pool player going to snooker, there is an "unlearning" process involved in the transition whereby you actually reduce your arsenal of shots. For snooker players going to pool, it's all about expanding your repertoire.

I'd also say that there are challenges particular to specific games. For 10-ball, he'd have to develop a solid break. For 14.1, he'd have to get used to moving around in tight spaces. For 1-pocket, well, that's just a totally different game that requires experience to play at a high level.
That is one of the best posts I have ever seen on the subject
 
We all know Cory Duel shoots pool like God, you would think he would easily just go and bang some balls in snooker, apparently it is not as easy! from this video it looks like what he learned in pool all was wrong and has to abandon his pool stroke to get ready for snooker. Snooker is extremely tough game to master; I see Ronnie in six months stepping on every pro with ease, but the only problem Ronnie will have is pool has the luck factor and at times it might not be on his favor and loose some matches. But playing 9 ball or 10 ball on a snooker table he will dominate for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVI2oaNq6E8

im impressed you even found the video, i didnt even read your post.lol
 
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