what is a keno board ? I'll tell you.

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titanic

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There used be several pool rooms in the Bay Area that had Keno Boards. In my humble opinion they were developed to allow those people without the pool skills to compete and gamble.

They were made out of wood (or later on plastic) with 18 holes. They were randombly numbered one through fifteen with two kenos and one double keno.

They were a very popular ring game although as always guys who couldn't match up in a pool game would resort to high stakes keno games just to be in action.

The ring games worked like this : A set amount was established for the high score and an amount for kenos. If you managed to get the 5 ball up and it stayed in the 12 hole you scored 12 points. But if it landed in the 5 hole you got 5 points and everyone paid you for a KENO, if it landed in the Keno whole you got paid from everyone and double Keno you got paid double.

If you shot a ball up and it say knocked out a ball sitting in the double KENO hole and your ball landed in it you got credit for the double keno and the ball that had been there fell into another hole you got the points for that ball also. I have seen a ball fly up on the board and knock four balls out of their holes and make a big point score. I have also seen that happen and all of the balls roll off the board getting no points

The Tooth has taken this to a new level by rolling the balls instead of shooting them with a cue and as usual likes to bet high.

Now that I have explained the way this game works I would like someone to explain to me how you "GET THE NUTS" ?

To those of you who had negative replys to my nit/nitwit post do not deserve a reply as you have only confirmed my statements.

To the guy that offered me the 8. No thanks. But even though I no longer play I would probably come out of retirement and play you some one pocket even.

To those of you who had a positive reply thank you and I hope you get all the good rolls in and out of the pool room.
 
You can roll ball by hand or use a cue. You can even kick it. I believe it was invented by a guy in a carnival:eek: Johnnyt
 
I come from Beenie's home town, many rooms still have the boards. Here is the website of a local who makes/ sells them- picture on page:

http://bearcues.com/keno.htm

The game isn't a complete gaff, but it does have, shall we say, nuances.

How does Broketooth have the nuts there? He has enough cashish to last until he get winner...at least against most people :rolleyes: ;)

If the Tooth has so much gamble, why didn't he flip the coin at DCC? He ran for his blankie (said Keno board). Why? coz he has better that 50/50 odds with it and it is less than a fair gamble.

-I saw it. Hahahaha!-
 
Different strokes for different folks

Thank you for taking the time to look up and find the photo of that Keno board.

The ones I described were as I remembered them. It looks unlikely to ever have a ball not stay up with that many holes in the board.

But.... I am not disputing your post as obviously it is what it is.

You certainly cannot believe that anyone could have an advantage in that game.

Big bankrolls do not guarantee winning in cards, dice etcetera. If they did only rich people would win at everything and we know that is just not the case.

Don't let your obvious anger towards Bucktooth cloud your vision. I personally would not flip a coin for a five dollar bill. That is a personal choice. I respect your right to flip coins for any amount you choose. That does not make you either better or smarter than me.

When I want to gamble I go to the race track and buy hay for the horses. I know it is a bad gamble but I love the thrill of beating the odds and the roar of the crowds. I will put my money on any horse I choose. I do have one restriction. I refuse to bet on any horse on crutches.

When guys like Grady and the Tooth are gone where is the color and excitement going to come from.

What about all the pool storys ( true or exagerrated ) that have kept us amused all these years?

I mean for my posts to be informative and not designed to hurt anyone. If you or others only intend to be mean and dispirited it is of no avail. I consider the source and go on with life.
 
I know that Bucktooth likes to roll the ball. But years ago when I saw it played a cue was used. It seems to me that you couldn't shoot directly at the board, but had to hit a rail first, or maybe even had to hit the bottom rail first??? Does anyone remember it played that way? Or is my memory on erase again? (talking about the Keno board here)
 
titanic said:
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To the guy that offered me the 8. No thanks. But even though I no longer play I would probably come out of retirement and play you some one pocket even.
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I wouldn't feel right playing you even. 9-7 and you can have the first break.

I thought it was hilarious in the Tooth/Fatboy video how Tooth's right hand man 'George' I believe is left standing there after Tooth ran. I think he was seriously contemplating jumping sides & running around after Fatboy. You could see the look of confusion & dispair in his face.

I posted this in another thread:
We have a board here like that in STL. But instead of #s, it has poker hands on each hole. The high hand wins. There are also 'bonus' holes you can land in or negative holes as well. The board has been around literally for decades.

The way it is played is for every player, there is a ball on the table. Line them up on the spot and the first player gets ball in hand in the kitchen to hit the balls and have one land on the board. There is a little lip to the board so there is some speed to it to get the ball to go up the lip but not too hard that it doesn't find a hole to land in and come back down. Doesn't matter which numbered ball you get to land.

If there are two players, then you only use two balls. The breaker has a DISTINCT advantage as they can hit the two balls on the spot so one ball goes one rail, off the bottom rail and up on the board. The other ball will go to the side rail and the cue ball to the opposite side rail below the side pocket, bout at the second diamonds. Then the next player basically has to either mult rail their ball up onto the keno board or kick it up onto the board. Either way, they don't have as much control of the speed and more important, spin, on the object ball to get it to 'stick' on the board. When the object ball hits the lip from an angle, it is harder for it to get up on the board. Also the spin on the object ball makes it harder for it to land in a hole & will just bounce around til it rolls off back onto the pool table. I am POSITIVE, even though I have never seen him play, that the Tooth knows this part of the game & that is how he gets his advantage in the game.

Believe me, I am an expert at this game and because of this game is how I got my nickname. But that is another story.

If Tooth rolls them up without a stick, then I am sure there is another gaff to it.
 
titanic said:
There used be several pool rooms in the Bay Area that had Keno Boards. In my humble opinion they were developed to allow those people without the pool skills to compete and gamble.

They were made out of wood (or later on plastic) with 18 holes. They were randombly numbered one through fifteen with two kenos and one double keno.

They were a very popular ring game although as always guys who couldn't match up in a pool game would resort to high stakes keno games just to be in action.

The ring games worked like this : A set amount was established for the high score and an amount for kenos. If you managed to get the 5 ball up and it stayed in the 12 hole you scored 12 points. But if it landed in the 5 hole you got 5 points and everyone paid you for a KENO, if it landed in the Keno whole you got paid from everyone and double Keno you got paid double.

If you shot a ball up and it say knocked out a ball sitting in the double KENO hole and your ball landed in it you got credit for the double keno and the ball that had been there fell into another hole you got the points for that ball also. I have seen a ball fly up on the board and knock four balls out of their holes and make a big point score. I have also seen that happen and all of the balls roll off the board getting no points

The Tooth has taken this to a new level by rolling the balls instead of shooting them with a cue and as usual likes to bet high.

Now that I have explained the way this game works I would like someone to explain to me how you "GET THE NUTS" ?

To those of you who had negative replys to my nit/nitwit post do not deserve a reply as you have only confirmed my statements.

To the guy that offered me the 8. No thanks. But even though I no longer play I would probably come out of retirement and play you some one pocket even.

To those of you who had a positive reply thank you and I hope you get all the good rolls in and out of the pool room.
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In Bath, NY there is a Keno board and it must have at least 30 holes and the game is played with a full rack of balls. You get one shot at your turn and try to drive the highest numbered balls up onto the Keno board and stick in a hole to get the count for the ball plus the hole score. The holes have values and some instant winners and you also play to a number like 50 or 60 and can have all kinds of trick rules for extra paydays. I think the board is still used at the Bath Billiards Club and they have nine ball and straight pool tournaments, but no Keno tournaments. It is a fun game and it does tend to equalize players.
 
DaveFagan said:
In Bath, NY there is a Keno board and it must have at least 30 holes and the game is played with a full rack of balls. You get one shot at your turn and try to drive the highest numbered balls up onto the Keno board and stick in a hole to get the count for the ball plus the hole score. The holes have values and some instant winners and you also play to a number like 50 or 60 and can have all kinds of trick rules for extra paydays. I think the board is still used at the Bath Billiards Club and they have nine ball and straight pool tournaments, but no Keno tournaments. It is a fun game and it does tend to equalize players.
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When I used to play this game out of Country Club in Chelmsford, MA, this is the way we used to play it.

And I completely agree with everything Watchez said. It's critical to hit the ball with the correct speed, angle, and spin. I don't think he mentioned this, but there are also certain safeties available. (i.e. the 1 ball is worth a lot less than the 15 ball, you can hide the cue behind a ball, etc.) Some very poor pool/keno players will even give leaves where 2 or 3 balls can be pushed onto the keno board.

There is definitely some luck involved, but the player who can psuh 10 balls up on the Keno board will get more lucky than the player who can only stick 1...
 
Why is it if Bucktooth starts a game of anything everyone thinks there is a gaff or a gimmick of some sort . Bill ran all over the country with a Keno Board he had it years ago LA Burbank. When they played at the DCC for the short time the guy to the left of Bucktooth won 5 or 6 dimes before the police took the board. What a lot of you people don't know about Bucktooth he just tries to create action when there is none. He is the MASTER of this when ever he appears there will be some kind of action mostly large it may start a little but when Bucktooth starts talking it just grows in leaps....
 
Just about all the vol. fire depts. on Long Island had the keno boards in the 1940-1960's. Johnnyt
 
to watchez

Labeling yourself an expert at KENO troubles me.

How many times would anyone in their right mind go for that huckleybuck spot two balls and you get first shot?

If you get repeat action on that I want to come to your roost !!

If you are the expert you claim to be why haven't you taken down all the Tooth's cash. I don't remember anyone being barred no matter what their handle is!!!

How you could offer weight to me without ever clocking my game defies all logic. Do you just give money away?

Thats why I offered an even game alternate breaks. If I can't figure out your speed in two or three games I would deserve to lose my money. That has never happened before and even at 67 years old it just ain't likely to happen.

I don't intend to continue this discussion any further. I have stated the facts as best i could and stand on their merit.
 
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