Efren's famous Z-shot seems like a shot that would be equivalent to a hole in one to me...
Agree here. Played golf as long as i've played pool. Never made a HIO but i've witnessed 3-4. All were bad shots that just got lucky. I don't see a pool equivalent. Maybe making the 9b on the snap at double-hill for a bunch of $$ would be sort of in same ballpark.efren’s Z-shot is a lot like a hole in one,
but it won him the tournament; 3 shots later
how many hole in ones won a golf tournament-
like a successful hail mary in the nfl
hole in one has no equivalent
I vote on five balls pocketed on a 9-ball break on a 9-foot table as being equivalent to a hole-in-one. Not that many regular amateur nine-ball players have ever accomplished that and virtually none have ever made 6+ on the break.at least 6 balls on the break. most golfers even frequent ones never get a hole in one. and a hole in one is mostly by chance for all that can put a ball on the green on a par three.
and pros dont have more as they play at the tips and on harder courses.
On a big table?? I'd kinda agree with that. I've seen seven made on a bar-box a few times and a bunch of fives.I vote on five balls pocketed on a 9-ball break as being equivalent to a hole-in-one. Not that many regular amateur nine-ball players have ever accomplished that and virtually none have ever made 6+ on the break.
Which one, 5 or 6, as there’s a big difference? How many regular players do you know have ever made 6 balls on a 9-ball break?This is easy and nothing else is even remotely as close to equivalent in pool. 9 ball, 9 ft table, either 5 or 6 balls made on the break (I lean toward 6 I think). With this and a hole in one, both require only one shot, both happen on the "teeing off" shot, both can be made by almost any level of player but the better you are the more your odds are increased for doing it, both are about as rare, etc.
I have witnessed 5 a few times over several years, and done it once myself. Never seen 6 first hand. That said, I've only heard tales of hole in ones, and the few noted on sports channels.Which one, 5 or 6, as there’s a big difference? How many regular players do you know have ever made 6 balls on a 9-ball break?
Each golf course averages reporting 10-15 hole-in-ones per year. In 25 years of owning / operating a 10 table poolroom, I’m aware of 6 balls being made on a 9-ball break only once, and 5 balls only 3-4 times, in 25 years.I have witnessed 5 a few times over several years, and done it once myself. Never seen 6 first hand. That said, I've only heard tales of hole in ones, and the few noted on sports channels.
Well we all know how golfers are.... I'd apply a 45% shrinkage to that 10-15...lolEach golf course averages reporting 10-15 hole-in-ones per year. In 25 years of owning / operating a 10 table poolroom, I’m aware of 6 balls being made on a 9-ball break only once, and 5 balls only 3-4 times, in 25 years.
I’m better at pool than I am at golf. I’ve run two six packs of 9 ball on a bar table and had 6 holes in one.One of our regulars today was telling me about having a hole-in-one yesterday playing golf, his third career hole-in-one. I was trying to think of giving him some idea of what is pool’s equivalent of a golf hole-in-one.
Obviously pocketing all the balls on the break is far less likely than a golf hole-in-one. The best equivalent accomplishment I could come up with was playing a tournament match or at least a meaningful match (8-ball or 9-ball) in which you break and run out the set, minimum of 5 games, without your opponent ever getting to the table.
Of course the number of games could be tweaked based on what size table you are playing on. For instance on a bar box, it might be running a six-pack but on a nine footer it might be a five-pack, or even a four-pack if accomplished on a diamond nine footer with tighter pockets. I just used a five-pack as kind of an average.
Another kind of equivalent feat in terms of rarity, how about pocketing 5 balls on a 9-ball break? I thought about 6 balls, but I’m guessing that occurs far less for a pool player than a hole-in-one for a golfer, in my opinion.
For 14.1 players, I guess it would be running 100 balls. Any other examples?
Not many golfers less than pro level can say they’ve had 6 hole-in-ones, and even a number of veteran touring pros haven’t had that many. If you’ve averaged 150 rounds a year for 40 years, that would have given you 24,000 chances on par 3’s for a hole-in-one. Your 6 aces would calculate to a 1 / 4000 chance for a hole-in-one, which would be more in line with the odds of a scratch golfer having a hole-in-one. If you are a better pool player than a golfer, all I can say is you must be a heck of a pool player or an incredibly lucky golfer, or both!I’m better at pool than I am at golf. I’ve run two six packs of 9 ball on a bar table and had 6 holes in one.
I was close to a scratch golfer at one time. I got my first hole in one about two months after I started playing. I was 15. My golf mentor - well into his 70s - was furious! He had played his whole life and never had one. I played HS golf that year and got another one in a tournament. Two in my first year. Better lucky than good.Not many golfers less than pro level can say they’ve had 6 hole-in-ones, and even a number of veteran touring pros haven’t had that many. If you’ve averaged 150 rounds a year for 40 years, that would have given you 24,000 chances on par 3’s for a hole-in-one. Your 6 aces would calculate to a 1 / 4000 chance for a hole-in-one, which would be more in line with the odds of a scratch golfer having a hole-in-one. If you are a better pool player than a golfer, all I can say is you must be a heck of a pool player or an incredibly lucky golfer, or both!
That's actually a good comparison.... Both are/were experienced blind luckEfren's famous Z-shot seems like a shot that would be equivalent to a hole in one to me...
After hearing yours and several other people's anecdotal experience, I'm now leaning slightly more towards 5 as being the closest in frequency of occurrence to a hole in one but still a bit torn.Which one, 5 or 6, as there’s a big difference?
Probably your first break and run. Then after that stringing together break and runs.One of our regulars today was telling me about having a hole-in-one yesterday playing golf, his third career hole-in-one. I was trying to think of giving him some idea of what is pool’s equivalent of a golf hole-in-one.