what is the best cue case for the money.
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That is actually a good point.
I ordered mine from Chudy and paid only $40 for shipping a 4x8 rugged case. It made it to my doorstep in 4 days!!!
I recently sent my Chas case to John for some modification and interior change. after inspecting the case and with all the sewing/modification I put on, John decided it's better to make me a new case, with all the mods I need, at NO CHARGE, and NO SHIPPING COST, I ordered another rugged case with some customized featured and some separate pocket for extensions and accessories, everything will be shipped to me this week.
That's my experience with John. I have not ordered a Justis or a Volturi, but I really like what Roger put in/on his case, and with his motto "luxury you can afford". I think any buyer can't go wrong with either JB or Roger. now just the taste that decides.
I have two cases in my wishlist and they are JB's
That's my experience with John. I have not ordered a Justis or a Volturi, but I really like what Roger put in/on his case, and with his motto "luxury you can afford". I think any buyer can't go wrong with either JB or Roger. now just the taste that decides.
I have two cases in my wishlist and they are JB's
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JB Rugged 4x8- Indy Q
Best bang for buck out there.
Best bang for buck out there.
The guy you say is a good person threatened to kill my family. To me that is not a good person who ever for any reason allows himself to say that about another person.
Yes I can do real stingray but you are not allowed to purchase our cases from us.
As far as pricing goes I charge less than our cases should cost. We do twice as much or more work in our cases than Roger or any other case maker does. If you want to have a public comparison where I show that point for point feel free to bring your Justis and your Volturi to my booth at the Super Billiards Expo and I will be happy to educate you and everyone who is present as to the very real differences and quality and build.
There are plenty of choices out there if people want to pay less. Dennis Swift charges less than we do and builds a great case. Gil Castillo builds one hell of a great case and is on average less than us. Chuck Fields charges less than we do and I am currently eagerly awaiting my first Fields case.
Where you are not accurate is the anti-China stance when Jack's work is 50% made in China and that 50% is actually the case portion. And for the record, Roger has a shop similar to ours where his staff builds the cases. And his labor is cheaper than mine. Not only has he bragged about that to me but you can look it up.
So the things you are saying to criticize me are things that Roger does as well.
If you want to get into these "best value" threads then do it with accurate information. Otherwise what you say is simply going to be disputed with factual information and people will not give any value to what you say anymore.
The fact that you can't ignore is that great cases are built all over the world. Each has it's own flavor and character. Some are built better than others, some protect better than others but most are adequate to the task.
Regarding protection I firmly believe that my constant harping on the subject has forced players to think about it a little deeper and forced case makers to offer better protection. Thus the average has been raised and that is really better for consumers.
While I am on this subject I'd like to ask you a direct question.
You have in the past parroted Jack Justis in saying that our cases are too tight and WILL HARM the finish of the cue. This is absurd but here is my question.
IF you honestly believe that enough to repeat it then why are you using Volturi cases which are are advertised to be tighter than our interiors?
I think it's funny that the imitation cases fall apart even thought they are also produced by Instroke. Nothing wrong with Vincitore when considering the investment. JB rugged probably best protection for the money.
What is the best case for the money?
Well that's like asking whether you want a wife who likes freaky sex or one that can cook under the assumption that you can't have both in the same woman.
The best case for the money is the one that does what you want for what you are prepared to spend. If you have that and then get even more than what you want then even better.
We can do a chart and list out features and benefits all day. At the end of it we could rank the cases and end up with a list. But that won't help you out much really because every brand is going to have SOMETHING where it beats everyone else. I haven't built the perfect case yet and neither has anyone else. There is no such thing because each person is different in their needs and desires.
For example - Jack Justis does ONE type of pocket with zippers on the side that are difficult to get into. But the advantage of doing it that way is that he gets nice boxy corners that have an elegant look to them. So if you like the look of Justis MORE than the convenience that a more ergonomic easy to use pocket has then you go with a Justis.
Maybe you favor really tough utility over high class looks - well then our Basic and Ultimate Rugged cases might be just what you want. Or maybe you want great protection and utility but toughness isn't that big a deal - then perhaps something stylish for about $150-$200 is what you want.
There has never in the history of the world been a better time to be a cue case buyer. In addition to around 70ish active small case makers there are also dozens of brands and hundreds of models to choose from.
You have anything from us who does almost anything goes true custom work to the most generic bland production cases you can imagine.
These threads ALWAYS end up with people touting their favorites and the flavor of the month. Rarely do they get into the real meat of the issue comparing point for point, practically and emotionally.
I think we offer the best value for the money and I am always eager to prove it. But we aren't the cheapest and I won't make private deals where I am only undercutting the competition to steal business as some of my competitors have done to us. My philosophy on this is simple, what we build is worth much more than we charge and if someone wants to give up our quality for an inferior case because of a few dollars difference then they should do that because I would never want anyone to think they overpaid for our work and the only real way for any single person to know the value and not the price is to have the ability to compare between cases.
I am glad that just about everyone who bought our cases has said that they feel that the case they got was worth far more than what they paid.
I will finish with this quote which sums it up best in my opinion,
“What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
And a sentimentalist, my dear Darlington, is a man who sees an absurd value in everything, and doesn't know the market place of any single thing.” - Oscar Wilde
So, gather your information and make your choice based on what turns you on not what turns anyone else on. Read the statements carefully to figure out which people are just shilling because they got a rocking deal and which ones are genuine because they got rocking quality. In any event it's all advertising and the purpose of advertising is to make you take a look.
Outside of a few really lousy makers/brands you can't really go wrong and even with those makers and brands there are plenty of folks who will testify that they love them. Bottom line, get protection first and then wrap as much around that as you want to spend.
Well that's like asking whether you want a wife who likes freaky sex or one that can cook under the assumption that you can't have both in the same woman.
The best case for the money is the one that does what you want for what you are prepared to spend. If you have that and then get even more than what you want then even better.
We can do a chart and list out features and benefits all day. At the end of it we could rank the cases and end up with a list. But that won't help you out much really because every brand is going to have SOMETHING where it beats everyone else. I haven't built the perfect case yet and neither has anyone else. There is no such thing because each person is different in their needs and desires.
For example - Jack Justis does ONE type of pocket with zippers on the side that are difficult to get into. But the advantage of doing it that way is that he gets nice boxy corners that have an elegant look to them. So if you like the look of Justis MORE than the convenience that a more ergonomic easy to use pocket has then you go with a Justis.
Maybe you favor really tough utility over high class looks - well then our Basic and Ultimate Rugged cases might be just what you want. Or maybe you want great protection and utility but toughness isn't that big a deal - then perhaps something stylish for about $150-$200 is what you want.
There has never in the history of the world been a better time to be a cue case buyer. In addition to around 70ish active small case makers there are also dozens of brands and hundreds of models to choose from.
You have anything from us who does almost anything goes true custom work to the most generic bland production cases you can imagine.
These threads ALWAYS end up with people touting their favorites and the flavor of the month. Rarely do they get into the real meat of the issue comparing point for point, practically and emotionally.
I think we offer the best value for the money and I am always eager to prove it. But we aren't the cheapest and I won't make private deals where I am only undercutting the competition to steal business as some of my competitors have done to us. My philosophy on this is simple, what we build is worth much more than we charge and if someone wants to give up our quality for an inferior case because of a few dollars difference then they should do that because I would never want anyone to think they overpaid for our work and the only real way for any single person to know the value and not the price is to have the ability to compare between cases.
I am glad that just about everyone who bought our cases has said that they feel that the case they got was worth far more than what they paid.
I will finish with this quote which sums it up best in my opinion,
“What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
And a sentimentalist, my dear Darlington, is a man who sees an absurd value in everything, and doesn't know the market place of any single thing.” - Oscar Wilde
So, gather your information and make your choice based on what turns you on not what turns anyone else on. Read the statements carefully to figure out which people are just shilling because they got a rocking deal and which ones are genuine because they got rocking quality. In any event it's all advertising and the purpose of advertising is to make you take a look.
Outside of a few really lousy makers/brands you can't really go wrong and even with those makers and brands there are plenty of folks who will testify that they love them. Bottom line, get protection first and then wrap as much around that as you want to spend.
There are no Instroke counterfeits made by Instroke that fall apart. Instroke does private label some of their designs and those cases are made to the same standard that Instroke puts into the Instroke branded cases. As far as I know.
Since I have not owned the brand for 10 years now I have no idea what their current quality status is. I was flattered that they copied our Mason models so apparently I am still relevant for them as a designer
If you want a custom one then that's the price. I can't do anything about the cost of shipping other than to eat some of it.
But honestly, look at the shipping cost from another perspective.
IF the Rugged case provides you with amazing quality and protection and utility for say 10 good years to the point that you stop using it not because it's broken but because you are simply tired of it, then your extra cost for shipping works out to be say $7.5 a year for the time you have used it or about .02cts a day.
Isn't getting a case that good worth 2cts a day if you wanted one made just for you?
There are no Instroke counterfeits made by Instroke that fall apart. Instroke does private label some of their designs and those cases are made to the same standard that Instroke puts into the Instroke branded cases. As far as I know.
Since I have not owned the brand for 10 years now I have no idea what their current quality status is. I was flattered that they copied our Mason models so apparently I am still relevant for them as a designer
That was my point exactly. I've used Instroke as well as Vincitore and the quality between the two comes down to the leather used. Other than that they are basically the same.
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Are you going to the Derby or Expo? I hope so because I want to see a case of yours in person.
Going to hopefully have a new JB by expo though.
JB makes excellent cases and are extremely well priced! Bang for buck.
Justis are great cases but are more expensive but if you have the budget then it's another great option.
I think it all boils down to budget.
Volturi cases are so so at best, and whoever said he's good people hasn't seen his true colours yet. My opinion.
Btw not all things made in China are crap and not all things made in Japan or Germany are great so don't buy into the made where and it's bad nonsense. Indonesia makes loads of rubbish products too and then there's the good stuff...and the labor cost is MUCH lower than China for those who doesn't know a thing about the world economy.
Justis are great cases but are more expensive but if you have the budget then it's another great option.
I think it all boils down to budget.
Volturi cases are so so at best, and whoever said he's good people hasn't seen his true colours yet. My opinion.
Btw not all things made in China are crap and not all things made in Japan or Germany are great so don't buy into the made where and it's bad nonsense. Indonesia makes loads of rubbish products too and then there's the good stuff...and the labor cost is MUCH lower than China for those who doesn't know a thing about the world economy.
I can attests to what John said about Roger threatening to kill John's family. Roger sent me similar messages telling me to warn John!! He sent it to another friend of mine in New York too and I still have those messages.
So whoever thinks he is a good guy should think twice.
for me the sterling wave case was my choice over jb rugged
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=318285
biggest difference was i found the zipper style on the sterling wave much easier to get into the pockets compared to the rugged
i have jb case i bought from indy qs
same complaint
the pockets are not user friendly
sterling wave cases have the ultra pad protection so they are among the top from a protection perspective
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=318285
biggest difference was i found the zipper style on the sterling wave much easier to get into the pockets compared to the rugged
i have jb case i bought from indy qs
same complaint
the pockets are not user friendly
sterling wave cases have the ultra pad protection so they are among the top from a protection perspective
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Hey john the skunk. My choices are not in any order/ 4/8 sterling wave case red and black and 2/4 joe porper vinal oval classic dark gray which you can get made with open holes, 2 great cases to get the job done and good prices that won't hurt the wallet to much. Rich aka the skunk. I use them and like them, my opinion only.
Hey john the skunk. My choices are not in any order/ 4/8 sterling wave case red and black and 2/4 joe porper vinal oval classic dark gray which you can get made with open holes, 2 great cases to get the job done and good prices that won't hurt the wallet to much. Rich aka the skunk. I use them and like them, my opinion only.
Ok John. How about this. Chudy is in the same region and yet, he only charges $40 for shipping same case. And it takes 4-5 days to deliver vs your $75 and I believe longer on delivery time.
Just trying to understand why such a difference in shipping charges.
Also, using your terminology, let's look at it in a long run(10 years). Think of $7.5 a year that you are SAVING, .02cts a day that you are not spending but saving. How about that?
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Djay Customs
Designer for JB Cases
Sick man..to threatening to kill the family include the 2 little beautiful kids
It's Chady. Chady sends the cases to Taiwan, which is another country and then sends them to the USA. Trust me I have been all over this 17ways from Sunday about the shipping.
It's the same from Hong Kong which is only 10 hours away from me. People routinely ship cases from there for $38. From where I am though it's $75 or MORE.
Yes, as Ben Franklin said a penny saved is a penny earned. If you want a product and you can save money when you buy it then you get all the benefit of that product at less cost. So if you can get the same $100 case from Chady for $140 then even better or from IndyQ for $125 or from Seyberts for $115 then so much the better.
All I am doing is explaining that IF a case is truly well built, truly protective and, if ordered directly from me, truly custom then the difference in cost to the consumer, looked at long term is really tiny for the benefit received.
Even for the short term $75 isn't that much money. We can break it down a hundred ways but each of us has practically thrown away more than that each year on frivolous things that don't have lasting value and benefit.
Tell me where you get custom made cases in this quality for $175-$225
I hate the shipping cost too. But that's just part of doing business and I can either be upfront about it or raise my prices to cover it.
The price paid for good quality is quickly forgotten while the bitterness of poor quality is felt every time you use the inferior product and realize for just a little more you could have had the best and no problems.
So yes, if you can save money on our cases by buying from our dealers then by all means do so, but make sure you buy our cases because the price of fixing a damaged cue or throwing away a broken case will exceed any savings you get from purchasing an inferior case.
If Chuck isn't there then I will be for sure at SBE and maybe at DCC. You can see his work by checking out my new Fields case.
I am having a special collection built by all the best case makers I respect in this business as I can afford to acquire them. Each maker has a specific set of instructions of what I want on the case and the rest is up to them.