What is the difference between Hercek and Rauenzahn full spliced cue?

[sebas]

Really, a Porsche 911 has no "style"... now you're just being silly.

Boy, you really gotta convince yourself you have the "best" cue in the world, don't ya?

Dude, I own great cars, but unfortunately, even I don't own the "best" cars in the world... sometimes life just is not fair, but I'm not gonna cry on the internet cause I could NOT afford car X, and therefore the vehicles I do have do not become the "best" by default....[/QUOT

I don't have the best cue in the world. Even if I could it doesn't exist. I have my dream car it's a 55 T-bird. All you cue snobs who think you know what's best get mad and pout because people are not impressed with your taste, tacky over hyped cues,or opinion. If I was STUPID enough to spend 5000- 10000 on a cue I would buy a Collection of Rambos. I am not jealous. How's the saying go, Don't hate Congratulate. I wish you the most and best. So go change your Herceck underoos, stop sniveling and get over your self. You don't know me.

I find it funny that someone who thinks high end cues arent worth it is driving a 55 t-bird (basically a high end cue Iin the car world, not my taste but I understand why)compared to basic transportation (basic playing cue). People have different passions, cars, cues, watches etc. On another note, the person who started this thread had to know it would eventually go in the gutter.

 

[poolhustler]

On another note, the person who started this thread had to know it would eventually go in the gutter.

Pointless thread really........

 

[one stroke]

Pointless thread really........

That's because no one has really answered the question.
If I had two side by side I'm sure I could find some differences for instance the joint , the veneers color and fitting , the butt cap bumper and the finish of the cue would be a few , just saying ones worth more is really not answering the question


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[KRJ]

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That's because no one has really answered the question.
If I had two side by side I'm sure I could find some differences for instance the joint , the veneers color and fitting , the butt cap bumper and the finish of the cue would be a few , just saying ones worth more is really not answering the question


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Really, if you have to ask the question, you really would never understand anyways

 

[one stroke]

Really, if you have to ask the question, you really would never understand anyways

First of all mighty one Im not the one who posted the thread. , and don't be confused I know a fair amount of what I'm looking at and looking for in a full splice cue


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[Big-Tattoo]

They don't even build the same full splice cue...
Apples and oranges.
I haven't seen one of Jerry's cues in awhile but you are comparing his work to one of the best in the game.
Jerry's cues are nice, but I'll take Joel's any day of the week.
And that is in no way a knock on Jerry.

Both Guys are really nice
here a NEW Jerry Cue, great Customer Service,keeps you all the time informed with pics too:thumbup:
He is now 70, don't know how Long he can build Cues. In 2 Years my Name came up on Joel's Book:smile:

the rest are here
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=331805
Ralf

 

[Mr. Bond]

I don't know Jerry well enough to say anything about him personally. And his cues, as far as I have seen and heard, are very nice and very well built. So I'll leave my commentary on him at that.

Joel, on the other hand, I do know, so I can tell you one thing that sets the two men (and their cues) apart.

As you may already know, over the years, the Chicago area has produced some of the world's best cue makers. And because of the high standard of quality coming out of Chicago, its not easy for just anyone to start making cues and become respected over night. That kind of respect has to be earned, and Joel has earned it.

But, there's more to the story than just respect. Joel is very literally carrying the torch, by continuing the tradition of greatness that we cherish so much around here. He is a living link to the masters before him, and as such, his work will be talked about and hailed for 100 years to come. Joel isn't just a cue maker, he is the epitome of excellence in his craft and an icon of the art and traditions associated with it.

The difference between Joel and Jerry's cues are the hands that built them.

 

[Hungarian]

The wait if you are on the list is several years, if you didn't get on the list before 2009 then it could be much longer.

I just talked to Joel today, ironically enough, and he told me where he was in relation to order date and when I could expect my order to be coming around. I haven't spoken to him since 2005 when I got on his list and was just checking in with him.

He is currently working on orders from 2003, same as Laurie @ SW, and that is part of the differentiation between him and Jerry. I am not trying to say Jerry doesn't make a great cue, he certainly does, but he is not in the same class as JH as far as design and creativity.

I really like Jerry's cues but IMO there is no comparison to the cues Joel has put out.

This post is incredible to me. In business terms, Joel has a 10 year lead time based on work in progress. That's an amazing back log of orders. And the fact that you have an order with him that you haven't discussed with him since 2005.

 

[Hungarian]

Why are you so bitter?

"It's nice to know you get nominated for owning a bad ass."
What the hell was that. You mangled my intent and "you're" utterly out of context.
How's that for good English. Any other older posts you would like to go over?

 

[Hungarian]

Again, why would I even care about the 928 or anything else... never owned a Porsche either....and of course, speaking of stupidity, you believe the V12 has manifold problems... that's just funny. Of course, you know the year and model of the vehicle in which you speak, right ?

World's smallest V-12 engine

http://www.wimp.com/tiniestengine/

 

[YubaCushion]

Why are you so bitter?[/QUOT


This is an internet forum. There is no getting bitter or upset or whatever.
One thing that does get my attention is when someone cant argue a point so they argue grammar. It's a common deflection when they have nothing, and I am not having it and I called him on it.

 

[YubaCushion]

I don't know Jerry well enough to say anything about him personally. And his cues, as far as I have seen and heard, are very nice and very well built. So I'll leave my commentary on him at that.

Joel, on the other hand, I do know, so I can tell you one thing that sets the two men (and their cues) apart.

As you may already know, over the years, the Chicago area has produced some of the world's best cue makers. And because of the high standard of quality coming out of Chicago, its not easy for just anyone to start making cues and become respected over night. That kind of respect has to be earned, and Joel has earned it.

But, there's more to the story than just respect. Joel is very literally carrying the torch, by continuing the tradition of greatness that we cherish so much around here. He is a living link to the masters before him, and as such, his work will be talked about and hailed for 100 years to come. Joel isn't just a cue maker, he is the epitome of excellence in his craft and an icon of the art and traditions associated with it.

The difference between Joel and Jerry's cues are the hands that built them.

I respect and appreciate your opinion your knowledge, so I will tread lightly. I think that the CNC used in cue making is akin to PED's in sports. I don't think Joel has preserved history as much as he has taken cue building to the next level with the help of that machinery. I have never seen Joel's restoration work but from what I understand restoration is more difficult than building a new cue. I have seen Jerry's restoration and show me finer.He has kept billiard history alive. For a contribution to your craft that's hard to top. In a hundred years there will be techniques in machinery and tooling that will make today's work pale in comparison. There is a certain look and feel to authentic hand made pieces. And those will always stand the test of time.

 

[sebas]

Why are you so bitter?[/QUOT


This is an internet forum. There is no getting bitter or upset or whatever.
One thing that does get my attention is when someone cant argue a point so they argue grammar. It's a common deflection when they have nothing, and I am not having it and I called him on it.

I argued more then grammar. You are clueless when it comes to cues. Take a good look at the points and inlays. Why do you think Searings are so popular?

 

[sebas]

I respect and appreciate your opinion your knowledge, so I will tread lightly. I think that the CNC used in cue making is akin to PED's in sports. I don't think Joel has preserved history as much as he has taken cue building to the next level with the help of that machinery. I have never seen Joel's restoration work but from what I understand restoration is more difficult than building a new cue. I have seen Jerry's restoration and show me finer.He has kept billiard history alive. For a contribution to your craft that's hard to top. In a hundred years there will be techniques in machinery and tooling that will make today's work pale in comparison. There is a certain look and feel to authentic hand made pieces. And those will always stand the test of time.

Again this shows your cue making ignorance. Do you really think R doesn't use any form of CNC?

 

[YubaCushion]

Again this shows your cue making ignorance. Do you really think R doesn't use any form of CNC?

I can't explain any more. So let's do this.
You wouldn't know a cue if you had one shoved up, you know the rest.

 

[sebas]

Your reply

I can't explain any more. So let's do this.
You wouldn't know a cue if you had one shoved up, you know the rest.

Very intelligent reply. Expected though.

 

[elvicash]

I understand that Hercek learned from Spain but he's not Spain.
Don't get me wrong Hercek is a great cue maker but Rauenzahn makes
Awesome full spliced cues as well. But what makes them so different or not?

One key difference that I know of is I am on Hercek's list and not on Rauenzahn's list. I am a couple of years out and my cue gets bigger all the time.

<--- Looks forward to a very nice full splice Hercek for 14.1

 

[YubaCushion]

Again this shows your cue making ignorance. Do you really think R doesn't use any form of CNC?

Again, dumb dynasty. I never said he didn't. If you were as smart as you think you are you would see the point. If Jerry wanted to go ape shit with a CNC I'm sure he could. If Joel wanted to go restore a hundred year old cue, I think he would send it to Jerry and go back to his CNC. Is any other snooty elitist know it all comments you would like to make.

 

[sebas]

Again, dumb dynasty. I never said he didn't. If you were as smart as you think you are you would see the point. If Jerry wanted to go ape shit with a CNC I'm sure he could. If Joel wanted to go restore a hundred year old cue, I think he would send it to Jerry and go back to his CNC. Is any other snooty elitist know it all comments you would like to make.

1 joel has restored a rambo and did a great job.
2 I will put joel and his 20 year waiting list against any cue you have.
3 come to the windy city cue show and we can compare.

 

[kvinbrwr]

When most cue makers get to a certain stature with a long waiting list they quite often won't work on cues other than their own.

With very few exceptions:

Barry Szam is at that level
Ernie Gutierrez is at that level.
Tony at Black Boar is at that level.
Tad will only work on Tad cues.
Hercek is at that level with a lifetime waiting list he will only build his cues and work on his own to respect his previous customers.

Jerry R is not at that level yet. Probably an oversight by players and collectors, but at this point true. I'm sure when this guy gets done insulting everyone that doesn't see it his way, Jerry R will rise in stature, his cues will immediately become worth more on the secondary market than Jerry charges for them, he will sport a 10 year waiting list and he will only work on his own stuff too.

Kevin