What is the play on the following shot?

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CueTable Help



A league teammate and I set up this shot last night. The idea was to cut the one in the side and get position for the 3. I tried a stun shot, draw, natural angle, and even going to rails?

What is your thoughts? Also please incude what english, draw or follow you would use. I placed letters around the 3 in areas that we were trying to get to, in order to make the 3. Point B alluded us all night.
 
A touch of inside and aim the OB a touch fuller.

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Personally, I think it's easier to just bank the ball and stun to where you're trying to go.

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i was definitely not in stroke last night when shooting these shots, but each time i attempted the bank, i could not stun the cue over enough. also with the cut in the side and the high right, i couldn't get enough speed with the cue ball to bring it to the second rail. could have been the place i play at has unlevel tables, ripped cloth, and dead rails. (i prefer blaming the arrow. The indian is perfect)
 
Bank the one (just stop the cueball). If you can't cut in the 3 ball from there, then you don't deserve to win the game anyway. Trying to cheat on the bank to get better position on the 3 seems like a losing proposition. It's a high percentage bank if you don't do anything fancy. The cut on the 3 should be a very high percentage shot as well if you practice enough.
 
i came to that conclusion to last night. That one way or another you would of had to cut the three. just wante to see if someone saw a different out.
 
I'm with Willie, if I dont have to get to point B. Just perform a stop shot and shoot the three.
 
the point of the drill was to get to point B though. We knew where else we could put it and make it all work.. but we wanted B
 
Well than, as mentioned, a touch of right hand side and a good stroke should do the trick. I agree with most posters though the bank would be the percentage shot here.
 
as far as the WEI table is concerned, yes the bank is the shot. the real life shot was tighter.. a bank was not really an option.
 
I was just looking carefully at the wei table and saw that the top center pocket doesn't really line up with the rails, also I've always thought that the balls look just a tad smaller on those tables, probably why the bank looks on here.
 
The pocket size on the bank has to be at least 1.5x the size of the pocket on the cut shot. Plus you can use right english as well as speed to shorten it up.

Using right english on the cut to kill this shot on the side rail is doable but only makes this shot much harder. And because you want to hit it fairly soft to hold the shot up for the 3 in the bottom corner, this cut shot has sellout written all over it. If you absolutely have to cut it in the side, I might be inclined to focus on making it, going one rail to the bottom and banking the 3. Or you could hit it with some speed and a bit of right and go two rails down and up for the 3 in the bottom corner.
 
Maybe I'm missing something here.. Why would you want "right" or inside english on that shot? I don't think it's going to shorten up the angle enough to get you remotely near B? As well if you hit the ball more full with right english wouldn't it "throw" the ball even further into the rail making you miss it all together? (undercutting?)

I would think if you were to get a bunch of draw but as softly as possible with left english it might get you there. The left catching on the rail and helping to spin the cue ball down table?

I think at best though I'd end up somewhere in between A and B though.. Maybe putting the 3 in the other side..

DJ
 
i made it work a little using a good stroke with bottom and right on the ball.. I didnt however get as far behind the 3 as i would have liked to.

editL i left it basically inbetween B and the 1 ball...
 
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I was suggesting shooting it with right english to alter the angle to allow you to slide of toward the left with the cueball. Hitting the ball with speed will also shorten up the bank and maybe allow you to slide off a bit. It all depends alot on the exact angle, I was tossing it out there as a possibility--in person putting right english may in fact be one of the worst suggestions in the thread.
 
I must be missing something. :confused: It looks like you can just cut it in the side with a little slough stroke with low left and land on B, with or without hitting the rail first.
 
i think id shoot that shot with medium speed, you will be cutting the 1 thin so not much speed would come off and the angle wouldnt be much, looks like the cue would hit the rail......come back to the opposite rail, then back over to leave you almost straight in on the 3 in the corner across from the 8.
 
rackmsuckr said:
I must be missing something. :confused: It looks like you can just cut it in the side with a little slough stroke with low left and land on B, with or without hitting the rail first.
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Well I'm not glad I'm not the only one that suggested it, becuase I was sitting here thinking maybe I really don't know jack about this game after all.. LOL :D I'm going to down the pool hall right now I think I'll set it up and try it a few times, be back in an hour or two with the results.

DJ
 
I would hit it with centerball and use the natural angle to move it two rails to C position...the only good way to get B is with inside english and try and go two rails again only holding the path of the CB on the righthand side of the 3
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I'd have two suggestions.

1st, to get to "B", you could bank with a good draw stroke and bounce the cb off of the rail closest to you to get it to go to the other side of the 3.

2nd, you could take the ball in the side with a cut and bring the cb down to bank the 3.

If you want to get a bit creative, you can use a little bottom left on the cb and the hit the target ball just a touch more fully and get the cb to drift down in the direction of the 8 for the leave on the 3. (This only works for those of you who believe in transfering english to an object ball! :p )
 
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