Jumping should really be illegal b/c you are making the cue ball leave the playing surface.
But, it's here to stay.
But, it's here to stay.
What is the trends for using Jump Cues?
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How about...
If a tournament allows jump cues and your against them, don't enter the tournament.
If they don't allow them and you want to use one, then don't enter the tournament.
If two players are doing a challenge match then the two of them can either agree on there use or not do the match.
I don't see the jump cue as good or bad, just different strokes for different strokes!
If I owned a pool hall room I would not like jump cues as I doubt they do the cloth any favors. Is any one aware of any of the cue makers and big manufacturer's having any influence on this issue?
I think the alternating break and short race in 8, 9 and 10 Ball effects the out come of a pro tournament more then a jump stick.
If a tournament allows jump cues and your against them, don't enter the tournament.
If they don't allow them and you want to use one, then don't enter the tournament.
If two players are doing a challenge match then the two of them can either agree on there use or not do the match.
I don't see the jump cue as good or bad, just different strokes for different strokes!
If I owned a pool hall room I would not like jump cues as I doubt they do the cloth any favors. Is any one aware of any of the cue makers and big manufacturer's having any influence on this issue?
I think the alternating break and short race in 8, 9 and 10 Ball effects the out come of a pro tournament more then a jump stick.
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We also don't carry around an entire bag of different cues for every type of shot...although it's getting that way, which is what's really silly. This is not only making it expensive to play but it means new players need to invest in equipment to play as opposed to grabbing a house cue off the rack, making pool even LESS popular than it already is. Ban them (sorry jump cue makers, make something else). You don't need a jump cue to play pool, and if you give me the "but people on TV like to watch jump shots" argument I'll respond with -
1) No one watches pool on TV, jump cue doesn't solve that
2) No one has ever gotten more excited watching pool than seeing Efren kick 3 rails to make the ball
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My 2 cents. Its leagal now, Im not arguing the fact. The issue I have is what does jumping a ball teach you about the table or the game of pool? If a person is forced to learn diamonds, rails, speed, etc. they become better players. I have stated online, earlier today in fact, that Im better than most people at jumping a cue ball. (not worth a dam# at playing the actual game). I dont work on jumping because I dont believe in it. If I get hooked by a good safe, I rely on what I have learned about the table through the many years of playing. Not simply jumping a ball to make contact.
The only middle of the road I could see was this: If a person wants to learn jumping with their playing cue or break cue, I say give them that option. Customized pool cues should not be used.
Im an ex golf professional and worked for one of the major golf companies for several years. I see absolutely zero similarities to the two games. Compairing the two, shows a lack of understanding about the princinples of both. This is only my opinion and everyone is free to voice theirs.
The only middle of the road I could see was this: If a person wants to learn jumping with their playing cue or break cue, I say give them that option. Customized pool cues should not be used.
Im an ex golf professional and worked for one of the major golf companies for several years. I see absolutely zero similarities to the two games. Compairing the two, shows a lack of understanding about the princinples of both. This is only my opinion and everyone is free to voice theirs.
Golf has a lot of specialized clubs. Players are restricted to carrying only 14 clubs per round, But most pros will have probably 20 clubs to pick from depending on the course and the conditions. As far as, playing it where it lies, cavity back irons, muscle back irons have changed they way balls are played out of the rough and divots. Its super simple to hit a 170 shot with a new taylor made iron compared to an old blade. Then there are the hybrids, most pros now have 1 or 2 of them in the bag too, no more 2 irons, or 3 irons, no 5 woods. The argument of banning jump cues is such BS, its the same for both players.
That's right pool has no body now nor did it 20 yrs ago upholding the integrity of the game people were leading what their was around by their nose with only lining pockets in mind
So like this thread others like it ,, Top pro's of today and yesterday speaking out ,, and taking the j/b cues out of thier match ups along with room owners and regional tour operators banning them
The word is traveling and its gaining momentum ,, infact I'm going to bump up all J/b threads once a week to keep the momentum going
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Another guy who doesn't golf, making statements about the game of golf. Priceless.
Stick to pool. If you don't know the playing difference between a hybrid and a 3 iron, you don't play the game at a decent level.
How does this have anything to do with what is being talked about? Felt has changed for the better. There, now lets compare pool and golf. Cue balls arent Ivory anymore so now we should use sledgehammers for break cues. Where do these comparisons come from? Horse racing was using chariots in Roman times. Everyone understands that equipment changes. The fact isnt that Jump cues are so easy to use that they should be banned. No! Whats being questioned is, does the jump cue take away from the fundamental game of pool. Im not the moderator on this web site but Im just trying to state my case for what I feel the original post was about. Thanks
I played on the Nike tour........ you goof I don't think you golf or play pool
So if all these idiots want to ban a jamp cue....why not standardize the table, the pocket size and the rest of the equipment. its because they understand jack crap....period, there same people bring up these arguments every few months. well the screw them....done with it.....I'll continue to use what equipment is allowed in the tournaments I play......And Mr Armstrong, I have forgotten more about golf then you'll ever learn.
Well then big stick tell us who you are so we can be amazed at your tournament wins, while amazing us with your many years worth of pool knowledge. So far, Im less than impressed with your objectionable debating skills. The other two have to be better.
Only way that jump cues will get banned at most tournaments is for PPV viewers and live gate fans that feel jump cues are not good for pool is to stay away from all events that use them. It will never happen because people don't want to miss the enjoyment they feel they just got to have in watching and paying for live baby, live. Johnnyt
I am just part of the conversation.
Awesome, I am sure that will do it.
Keep bumping all the jump cue threads - that should get them universally banned.
It would interesting to see the numbers on jump shot accuracy. Does the pro actually jump better than the amateur? Is it good enough to just hit the OB? I think I would have as good of chance of just hitting the OB by kicking at it as jumping.
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Alex P, Orcullo, Busti, Efren, SVB, Deuel, Earl have all commented on streams or podcasts over the last few years that they think jump cues take a certain level of skill away from the game. It takes more skill to kick two rails and hit a certain side of the object ball with the right speed and hide the cueball than it does to just jump over and pocket or play a jump safe. On the flip side of that when Earl made his famous full table jump with his playing cue it was the first time pocket billiards made the ESPN highlight reel. So maybe the jump shot adds to the excitement of the game.
Well in my opinion it's apart of the game, they are legal equipment so quit fighting it. In rooms that owners don't allow Jumping or Masse's I believe it's more because their afraid of them not being executed properly therefore leading to ripped cloth, more than the marks on the table. From the sounds of it you guy's make it sound as if people have jump cues everybody is jumping balls more than shooting a straight in shot.
Just because you have a jump cue doesn't make the shot or hit automatic. Using a jump cue effectively requires practice just like any other part of the game. I know plenty of people who have them in their bag and they never see the light of day because they can't use them.
I use them myself, I allow them in my Events and will continue to do so.
If you feel at a disadvantage, get on the train and incorporate it into your game. The same that I had to learn to count diamonds to get a hit, I also had to learn how to Jump a ball and make it. I'm currently practicing on my full cue jumps, and also rail jumping.
This reminds me of years ago, I learned how to do curve shots before I learned to kick, and today I'll shoot a curve shot before I'll shoot a kick or, jump shot for that matter if it presents itself.
Adapt and Overcome or, Just get Jumped over.
Black Cat
Just because you have a jump cue doesn't make the shot or hit automatic. Using a jump cue effectively requires practice just like any other part of the game. I know plenty of people who have them in their bag and they never see the light of day because they can't use them.
I use them myself, I allow them in my Events and will continue to do so.
If you feel at a disadvantage, get on the train and incorporate it into your game. The same that I had to learn to count diamonds to get a hit, I also had to learn how to Jump a ball and make it. I'm currently practicing on my full cue jumps, and also rail jumping.
This reminds me of years ago, I learned how to do curve shots before I learned to kick, and today I'll shoot a curve shot before I'll shoot a kick or, jump shot for that matter if it presents itself.
Adapt and Overcome or, Just get Jumped over.
Black Cat
