What is your eye pattern when down on a shot before striking cue ball?

Shooter1

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OK, you've done your pre-shot routine and are now bridged down on the cue ball to start your warm up strokes. during these strokes of the cue, what is your sequence of eye movement between the CB, OB and pocket?

I personally will usually take 3 to 5 warm up strokes depending on length and difficulty of the shot. On the last stroke before striking the CB, I will pause for a moment with the tip close to the contact point on the CB. Right before I begin the back stroke, I will focus on the OB contact point and then execute the shot. I use the ghost ball aiming method.

My sequence is usually CB, OB, pocket, OB, CB, then OB last. If it is a long shot or thin cut, or generally a more difficult shot, I may go thru this sequence twice.

What is your "eye pattern" sequence? I want to be sure I'm not missing anything.

Thanks
 
I'll explain my method as someone who aims with ball overlaps by feel, no systems or contact points just the overlap image feeling correct for a given shot:

While going down on the shot, OB 100%.

Once down, I start with OB/CB back and forth multiple times, when looking at CB I focus on the tip position and distance being correct, when looking at the OB I focus on the ball overlap (aim) looking correct, just verifying it, subconsciously perhaps microadjusting but consciously not changing anything and standing back up if it feels wrong. Especially when looking at CB it's extra important for me to focus on staying very still and relaxed, since you won't necessarily notice if you move a bit, unlike when looking at the OB where it's more clear since the overlap changes.

Once everything looks/feels spot on (usually a few back and forths between CB/OB, depending on how quickly everything feels "good"), I switch to CB and do one last fine tuning to make sure the tip position/distance is perfect, then do a short pause and start pulling the cue back and somewhere during that backwards movement switch my eyes back to the OB, staying there for the rest of the shot, never going back to CB.
 
No offense guys but you're making this WAY too convoluted. Everyone has their own psr right down to this part. i wouldn't concern myself with what anyone else does/says. Do it the way that works for you. Me personally? A few practice strokes while looking back-n-forth from cb to ob a few times(never have counted and don't care to), settle on the ob and send it.
 
No offense guys but you're making this WAY too convoluted. Everyone has their own psr right down to this part. i wouldn't concern myself with what anyone else does/says. Do it the way that works for you. Me personally? A few practice strokes while looking back-n-forth from cb to ob a few times(never have counted and don't care to), settle on the ob and send it.

Way too extensive is right. No need for all that. There are way simpler quiet eye discussions out there. The idea is to simplify play, this just confuses everyone.
It doesn't confuse everyone, even if it confuses you. A large portion of your input into more in-depth threads or posts is the same, claiming that things are being overcomplicated, even if a large amount of people clearly get something out of more in-depth analysis. Maybe not for you, that's fine, but the same reply on a thousand threads is getting a bit repetitive.
 
I'll explain my method as someone who aims with ball overlaps by feel, no systems or contact points just the overlap image feeling correct for a given shot:

While going down on the shot, OB 100%.

Once down, I start with OB/CB back and forth multiple times, when looking at CB I focus on the tip position and distance being correct, when looking at the OB I focus on the ball overlap (aim) looking correct, just verifying it, subconsciously perhaps microadjusting but consciously not changing anything and standing back up if it feels wrong. Especially when looking at CB it's extra important for me to focus on staying very still and relaxed, since you won't necessarily notice if you move a bit, unlike when looking at the OB where it's more clear since the overlap changes.

Once everything looks/feels spot on (usually a few back and forths between CB/OB, depending on how quickly everything feels "good"), I switch to CB and do one last fine tuning to make sure the tip position/distance is perfect, then do a short pause and start pulling the cue back and somewhere during that backwards movement switch my eyes back to the OB, staying there for the rest of the shot, never going back to CB.
i am not an instructor
but the time to shift focus from cue ball to object ball is at "set"
with the cue stick still
or at "pause" with the cue stick still
not while moving the cue stick
i have no scientific proof but thats how it was explained to me and it seems logical
to get your "quiet eyes" when there is no movement
jmho
 
I use 2 warm up strokes ..cue ball cue ball object ball. As per Scott Lee's (RIP) SPF my PEP (personal eye pattern) is cue ball cue ball object ball.


The uTube demo uses 3 warm up strokes. Eyes on object ball on final stroke.
 
It doesn't confuse everyone, even if it confuses you. A large portion of your input into more in-depth threads or posts is the same, claiming that things are being overcomplicated, even if a large amount of people clearly get something out of more in-depth analysis. Maybe not for you, that's fine, but the same reply on a thousand threads is getting a bit repetitive.
Been around good-to-world class players for over 40yrs. Have NEVER heard one of them talk about their 'eye movement patterns'. Not ONE. This is just more minutia that only forum trollers like yourself have ANY interest in. Anyone that can play AT ALL already has decent 'emp's' without even thinking about it. It comes naturally, well at least for some i guess. BTW, what i was referring to as 'confusing' was that study linked to in post #4. You try reading any of it? Also, PLEASE feel free to put me on Ignore if my responses to your drivel seem too 'repetitive'.
 
Been around good-to-world class players for over 40yrs. Have NEVER heard one of them talk about their 'eye movement patterns'. Not ONE. This is just more minutia that only forum trollers like yourself have ANY interest in. Anyone that can play AT ALL already has decent 'emp's' without even thinking about it. It comes naturally, well at least for some i guess. BTW, what i was referring to as 'confusing' was that study linked to in post #4. You try reading any of it? Also, PLEASE feel free to put me on Ignore if my responses to your drivel seem too 'repetitive'.
Pros are solid. I think the OP is asking us amateurs and bangers what we do. I needed someone to teach me a system. Scott Lee’s SPF included patterns. The student was asked what they looked at. As for putting you on ignore I’ll gladly do it but nothing is free. Send me a certified check or money order for $25 and you got it.
 
Been around good-to-world class players for over 40yrs. Have NEVER heard one of them talk about their 'eye movement patterns'. Not ONE. This is just more minutia that only forum trollers like yourself have ANY interest in. Anyone that can play AT ALL already has decent 'emp's' without even thinking about it. It comes naturally, well at least for some i guess. BTW, what i was referring to as 'confusing' was that study linked to in post #4. You try reading any of it? Also, PLEASE feel free to put me on Ignore if my responses to your drivel seem too 'repetitive'.
I suspect if you've never heard a pro player talk about eye patterns it's because they've never been asked unless their giving a lesson. How many times have you talked about EP's on league night with your teammates? Probably not often if ever.
I became a student of the game in 1974. Back then, there was very little instructional material in terms of how to improve your game, you just learned/improved by playing, (and probably losing a fair amount). You just played the game and mechanics came naturally, some good, some not so good.
With all the good instructional materials available, (like this forum), it makes sense to take advantage of them to improve your game or at least re-evaluate your progress & mechanics.

My eye pattern sequence is CB, OB, pocket, OB, CB. If it's a longer shot I may do this twice, if it's an easier shot, I'll do it once and it works good for me. I don't believe anyone mentioned the pocket as part of their eye pattern, just the CB and OB. I find this interesting as the pocket in relation to the OB location determines the contact point on the OB.

Thanks for the replies gents!
 
I don't believe anyone mentioned the pocket as part of their eye pattern, just the CB and OB. I find this interesting as the pocket in relation to the OB location determines the contact point on the OB.
Maybe it's assumed that you determine the contact point before getting down.

pj
chgo
 
This is about like the stroke. Posters and instructors make the stroke all too overwhelming. Several years ago someone posted on here that his instructor told him it takes a year of diligent practice to achieve a good stroke.

I heard one of the greatest players of all time talking about this once. He said, and I quote...."Just put that cue under your shoulder and go straight back and forth. There's your stroke...."

And now we are here debating something simple like eye patterns. And I mean simple. Go through your PSR and then settle in to the shot and fire away. Whether CB or OB last, it's a very simple thing.

r/DCP
 
Like always! Some try to figure out details, others are so cool, that it might appear they are blessed from poolgod.
For me personally it made a big differenz, to leave the eye on the OB, while getting down to my shot. Most of the aiming happens, when I´m upright standing in my shotline. And when all plans are finished, the eye stays on the CB while getting down. At first it´s not familiar- like always, when you change habbits. It also feels wrong for the same reason. But if you get used to it, so many things follow automaticly- it´s amazing...

BTW- not many players talk abot their "secrets". It might help opponents as well. But just because they don´t talk about, doesn´t mean, it doesn´t exist! Some guys have also the luck to be right by nature. Others have to work on- for those some things might help to improve.
 
Like always! Some try to figure out details, others are so cool, that it might appear they are blessed from poolgod.
For me personally it made a big differenz, to leave the eye on the OB, while getting down to my shot. Most of the aiming happens, when I´m upright standing in my shotline. And when all plans are finished, the eye stays on the CB while getting down. At first it´s not familiar- like always, when you change habbits. It also feels wrong for the same reason. But if you get used to it, so many things follow automaticly- it´s amazing...

BTW- not many players talk abot their "secrets". It might help opponents as well. But just because they don´t talk about, doesn´t mean, it doesn´t exist! Some guys have also the luck to be right by nature. Others have to work on- for those some things might help to improve.
As long as it's consistent and works then it works. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

To me, keeping your eye on the OB as you get down makes sense. It gives our body a reference point/anchor point to get into stance. If you keep the same visual picture centered in your sight, level and square to the world, you know you're not shifting off line when you come down into stance.

Look up "chicken steadicam" for something similar, they are interesting videos. You want the sight picture you take in to be level and square. The ball doesn't move, but it's a bit like watching a cat stalk prey. They do not take their eyes off their meal, and even shake their butt a bit to calibrate the pounce. Our getting down into stance is the equivalent of a cat shaking it's butt, we're getting into a calibrated stance where the cue and our body hinges are on the shot line.

Keeping your eye on the anchor/target/ball minimizes visual distortions/optical illusions. I used to keep the ball as an anchor from the time I looked at it's pocket line, walking over to the CB and getting down on the shot. I tried as well as I could to almost make it appear I was rotating the world around that ball without leaning, letting it go side to side in my vision etc. It works really good. I'm too lazy to do it on every shot, but I can guarantee you that if I have my head out of my ass that day I will always do this on difficult shots. It really ups the make percentage.

If you properly do this it really doesn't matter which ball you focus on last because your stance has set you up to where the cue wants to go straight on the shot line. It's almost like auto pilot once you get the fundamentals down and aren't steering your cue.

The way the old timers would have said it, if you could pry the secret from them, would probably be something like "see the shot, make the shot" or "make sure it looks right."

Something similar to sighting the OB as you get down vs the CB would be driving. When you first started driving I bet you weaved a lot because you were looking 10 feet in front of the car (CB). Then someone said no look out way ahead (OB). Less micro adjustments. Once I'm down I'll often focus on CB last and that lets you do the micro adjustments, but I'm already 99% where I need to be from looking at the OB. I kind of see the CB in my peripheral vision so it's lined up. If you want to get real crazy while looking at the OB you will see 2 CB, and it's the middle that you want lined up, like rifle sights. It's just the way our eyes focus. Focus tight on the CB and you will see 2 OB, 2 Pockets, etc.

Drunks joke about shooting the ball in the middle, but it's pretty true if you get right down to it. Hold a pencil up at arms length and focus on something across the room, say a picture on the wall. You will see two pencils. Now focus on the pencil, you will see two pictures. You can play with this a bit and your personal vision center and actually figure out where dead center is between the two. I inspect parts for a living and I can often get a 10' long part to within 1 or 2 mm of square to my cart with just this visual trick. That's about a tenth of a degree for 1 mm off. That's pretty mind blowing for just using visual tricks.

Sorry for the long post, the morning coffee is slowly creeping into my head. 😄
 
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