I say Paradies Spain blank!
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Nick
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Nick
What it is? Cue Junkie alert!
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without seeing the most important parts, i would say that if the inlays are straight, then palmer. if inlays are crooked, then paradise.
pix of bottom of buttplate, joint?
do you have any pix of joint and bottom of buttplate with screw? what type of joint screw?
do you have any pix of joint and bottom of buttplate with screw? what type of joint screw?
from what i can see in the pic.. it looks like the joint is reversed.. i dont see a pin sticking out or its not very long.. from looking at the second picture that is...
chris
chris
Paradise I believe!
Doc pics next week! But this cue also has a short pin but note the brass joint pin and mop collars!Hunter said:
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It's an early Palmer with an early Palmer full splice. They used the "V" splice in the handle like that, later on made popular by Burton Spain and Joel hercek. Burton didn't use that splice until about 1990.
It would help to see pics of the joint too so I can date it, but I'm thinking 1965 - 1966. The other way you can tell it's not a Spain forearm is the way the veneers end bluntly under the wrap. His bevel in together where they end.
Chris
It would help to see pics of the joint too so I can date it, but I'm thinking 1965 - 1966. The other way you can tell it's not a Spain forearm is the way the veneers end bluntly under the wrap. His bevel in together where they end.
Chris
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Thanks Tate
I knew you would know fer sure and thanks for the PM. I bet Vegas was out of sight!
Nick
I knew you would know fer sure and thanks for the PM. I bet Vegas was out of sight!
Nick
More pics
Here you go Tate! Old stainless joint with brass pin pics!
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Nick
Here you go Tate! Old stainless joint with brass pin pics!
Thanks
Nick
bells said:
Not in the 1960's and 1970's. He and Burton used a traditional full splice up back then. Then, in the early 1990's, Burton started using a V splice in the handle of some cues. He taught Joel Hercek that technique, which Joel uses today. When John re-introduced his blanks a short while ago, he at first used the Hercek/Spain V splice. Then he developed a different splice technique to have his own unique style.
Joel had seen some of these old Palmer splices from the 1960's and was surprised at first, because he thought Burton was the one who brought back this particular technique, but it was Palmer. On the Spain/Hercek V splice, they finish it to a sharp point where the V comes together. The Palmer has a blunt edge like the one pictured.
Palmer abandoned the V splice because they thought it wasn't so strong. But with today's modern glues it's a very strong, very reliable joint. I think Joel's success with it speaks for itself. I have several old Palmers with this joint and they're rock solid.
Chris
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bells said:
Thank you.
I checked with Peter Balner and he verified it. It's a very early Palmer from 1964/65, probably a pre-catalog cue. It's a Palmer built blank. The inlay pattern is unusual, the forearm is the one they were using for a Model 5 from the 1st catalog, the butt sleeve and ring from a Model 9 but without the window.
What threw me was the joint screw. It's head is flatter than most Palmers almost like a Paradise screw. It's just a very early part. They probably used a dozen or more different joint screws over the years and so did Paradise.
This is a unique cue and is a historic collectible. I would put the value somewhere around $1200 or possibly more.
Chris
Amazing as usual Tate!
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Nick
It really looked like a Paradise screw to me too! As you say very odd!TATE said:
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Nick