What killed the slip stroke.... Instruction.
What killed the slip stroke?
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If the difference is a sticking point you can separate them as slip stroke to indicate the original, and toss stroke to indicate the other.
Example?
Less straight pool, more nine and ten ball, and younger players get down further to shoot. You don't do a slip stroke when your chin is touching your shaft. So much different from the days of Cowboy Jimmy Moore, when they stood much more upright, and didn't take such longer power draw shots. Different game now. Different stance, different stroke, different games.
I think the slip is supposed to come "before contact" and is the whole point of releasing the cue.
The concept is to let the cue "Do The Work"
I don't disagree with you that these 2 techniques (Slip Stroke and Stroke Slip) are complicated and can't promote consistent cue delivery without hundreds of hours of practice for perfection.
I will say that the stroke slip technique set off a light bulb. A light grip is essential IMO for CB control. Max Spins, high, low, left, or right only comes from with light grip.
I suppose there's other grips that do other things, I know maybe one, A tight grip kills everything. Sometimes that's what you want, so do it when that's called for.
I play with a rubber grip, so no possibility for any real slip, but the technique is the same for a stroke slip.
Just make sure your grip pressure during fiddling is the pressure you want for your delivery.
I think it is important to make the difference between the two
Because in the slip stroke, your hand goes farther back during the backstroke and then goes forward
With the stroke slip, the queue goes farther forward, then your hand during the forward stroke
Completely two different actions
pedanticJust strikes me as pedantically funny - you know that. How about the former is a cocking escapement stroke and the latter a dynamic release stroke?
I know, cocked or half cocked stroke. lol...
giving too much attention to formal rules or small details:
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this is not pedantic
its two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STROKES
and should not be confused as interchangeable
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Yes but the labeling is lets say, grammatically pedantic. I think we had a similar argument about torque lol...
Anyway yes, absolutely differentiate accurately but only if asked. Stroke Slip, Slip Stroke doesn't really describe or differentiate anything to the curious. They'll more'n likely lump 'em together anyway; hence slip stroke, toss stroke.
Maybe his hand just keeps up with the stick, loosely cradling it…
Does letting go but keeping up qualify as one of them slip things?
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I just tried it again and I think I got it this time. Just cradle the cue with no real grip and stroke at the ball. The hand will go into a natural tossing motion and the hopefully normal wrist snap will send the cue off. At this point you can feel the cue sliding and the only new timing is grasping the cue at the end. Softer strokes will find the cue stopping by itself and maximum slips can be practiced sans ball as demonstrated at the beginning. Tactile wise there is no strike involved except for the vibration of the stick.
Or something...
Watch that Accu-Stats One-Pocket match between Cole and Luat. Cole uses a slip stroke often. Watch closely. You can't miss it.
two totally different strokes. just like needing to say when talking about throwing a baseball. and having to say over hand or underhand.
there really is no such thing as a stroke slip. no one does that for any value or need.
might as well add a stroke twirl where you twirl the cue in your forward stroke.
there really is no such thing as a stroke slip. no one does that for any value or need.
might as well add a stroke twirl where you twirl the cue in your forward stroke.
I din't read this thread, but have read a few others on this topic over the years, and seen the tiny bit of video evidence that is out there for a slip stroke from 1950.
Maybe it wasn't even really a technique? Maybe the hand was just moving around a bit to get settled in during the practice swings.
It sure seems dumb to intentionally leave the stick in place at the cb, then slip the hand back several inches to a foot, then squeeze the cue on the final forward stroke and strike the ball. The stick has no momentum in that case, and only the hand does, picking up the stick for the ride.
Maybe it wasn't even really a technique? Maybe the hand was just moving around a bit to get settled in during the practice swings.
It sure seems dumb to intentionally leave the stick in place at the cb, then slip the hand back several inches to a foot, then squeeze the cue on the final forward stroke and strike the ball. The stick has no momentum in that case, and only the hand does, picking up the stick for the ride.
No, it’s a thing. You just have to have seen somebody who has one. It’s fluid and the cue has momentum. It’s not the Loch Ness monster or Sasquatch, it exists. Maybe near extinction, but its real.
Here's a glimpse.