What rules will IPT use?

[Colin Colenso]

Does anyone know the rules the IPT will use...or is likely to use?

I was told 8-ball in the US sometimes doesn't have call shot...ie. Allows slop.

Also, can I play my ball, say a bank shot, which knocks in an opponent's ball before my ball drops and continue?

 

[Hooked]

Also, can I play my ball, say a bank shot, which knocks in an opponent's ball before my ball drops and continue?

Yes, for most places that play *real* 8 Ball, it is call pocket.

I found BCA 8 Ball rules are fairly standard for tournament play. They need a 3 foul rule, however...


Don't know about the IPT rules. Read the BCA website and you will get a good start. They have to be real similar.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Thanks guys!

I've played BCA rules and think haven't found any problems with them. I could do with studying some videos of top players playing under these rules. Especially tactical games.

Can anyone recommend some video tapes I should get?

 

[jsp]

I found BCA 8 Ball rules are fairly standard for tournament play. They need a 3 foul rule, however...

I still don't understand why people argue that there should be a 3 foul rule in 8ball. There is only ONE instance where a 3 foul rule may be needed to prevent a stalemate (when the 8 and your lone object ball are frozen close to the pocket). But there are a zillion instances where someone can take advantage of a 3 foul rule to win the game (snookering your opponent behind a cluster of your own balls to prevent him from hitting the 8). I say, the 3 foul rule doesn't belong in 8 ball. Sorry to get off subject.

 

[Colin Colenso]

I still don't understand why people argue that there should be a 3 foul rule in 8ball. There is only ONE instance where a 3 foul rule may be needed to prevent a stalemate (when the 8 and your lone object ball are frozen close to the pocket). But there are a zillion instances where someone can take advantage of a 3 foul rule to win the game (snookering your opponent behind a cluster of your own balls to prevent him from hitting the 8). I say, the 3 foul rule doesn't belong in 8 ball. Sorry to get off subject.

I agree...not to mention the fights that would break out in bars if you tried to enforce a 3 foul = loss rule. OUCH!!!

I've had guys want to beat me up for playing a snooker Lucky I'm tough

 

[Snapshot9]

Mixed feelings ...

I have mixed feelings about this. I agree about out in bars,
but you usually have problems with rules anyway because
of someone playing that doesn't know the rules to begin with,
doesn't play league, and they are just an a-hole trying to
play by 'their' rules.

I have gotten into 'stalemates' in 8 ball before, and they can
go on almost forever between 2 good players. When if
Vegas one time playing in the Valley International tournament,
team play, I got into a situation where me and my opponent
ended up playing 18 safeties in a row. Talk about nerve racking ..
We each had 1 ball left, and the 8 ball. He finally rolled a 1/2"
too far with the cue ball, and I won the game. We had to have
the win to win the match.

Now, if you can not get shape on the 8 ball, that is your fault.
If you can not kick and hit the 8, that is your fault.
(your opponent would have ball in hand anyway). A 3 foul rule
would force a player to go offense. I think I am leaning more
towards having it. Think, if 2 balls frozen on footrail, defense shot
behind your ball, opponent just keeps 'missing' his ball because
his ball is still close to yours where you can not make it, so that
means you have to go offense and open up your ball without
giving him a shot. You bump your ball, knocking his way out
from yours, staying behind yours, and hope he diesn't hit it
on a kick shot. No, I really think I am in favor of a 3 foul rule
for 8 ball, mostly anyway.

 

[jsp]

No, I really think I am in favor of a 3 foul rule for 8 ball, mostly anyway.

But remember the key difference between playing a safety in 8ball and a safety in 9ball. In 9ball, the ball that you're trying to hide from your opponent, you still have to shoot that ball first. In 8ball, you're not supposed to hit the ball that you're trying to hide. That makes safety play so much easier in 8ball, especially if you have ball in hand with several of your balls still on the table. Maybe a 4-foul rule or 5-foul rule is a better compromise, but picking that number would be arbitrary. I'd prefer to just leave that rule totally out.

 

[NaClBandit]

Maybe a 4-foul rule or 5-foul rule is a better compromise, but picking that number would be arbitrary. I'd prefer to just leave that rule totally out.

I think a 4 foul rule would compensate for the greater number of "hiding spots" in 8-ball. Plus you get one more shot to decide if you should break up their cluster so they can't play safe behind it.

 

[lewdo26]

Thanks guys!

I've played BCA rules and think haven't found any problems with them. I could do with studying some videos of top players playing under these rules. Especially tactical games.

Can anyone recommend some video tapes I should get?

Get Bustamante vs. Reyes (2001 Accu-stats Invitational). Also, anything by Roger Griffis.

 

[lewdo26]

Also, can I play my ball, say a bank shot, which knocks in an opponent's ball before my ball drops and continue?

The standard BCA rule is that a ball and pocket are called. Regardless of what happens with the opponent's balls, if you've contacted a ball of your group first, and it drops in the intended pocket, it's on.

I don't know if what you described is the "squeeze-by shot" --- going rail first and caroming off an opponent's ball into a corner pocket. A standard shot in crowded barbox conditions... I don't know how much we'll see of that on the big tables with tight pockets though.

If you mean following an opponent's ball into the same pocket; that's also legal and standard. Even for the 8 ball.

I don't know if the IPT is call all shots or just the 8 ball.

 

[MFB]

Yes, for most places that play *real* 8 Ball, it is call pocket.

I found BCA 8 Ball rules are fairly standard for tournament play. They need a 3 foul rule, however...


Don't know about the IPT rules. Read the BCA website and you will get a good start. They have to be real similar.

With ball-in-hand fouls, there is no need for a 3-foul rule.

 

[NaClBandit]

sure there is

With ball-in-hand fouls, there is no need for a 3-foul rule.

The situation in this thread proves the need for an X foul rule. Whether X=3,4,5 is up for debate.

Also, both 9-ball and 14.1 have a foul penalty. 8-ball is more defensive than both of these games so why should it not?

 

[MFB]

The situation in this thread proves the need for an X foul rule. Whether X=3,4,5 is up for debate.

Also, both 9-ball and 14.1 have a foul penalty. 8-ball is more defensive than both of these games so why should it not?

It becomes a stalemate game, not a loss.

Here is the BCA rule:

STALEMATED GAME
If, after 3 consecutive turns at the table by each player (6 turns total), the referee judges that attempting to pocket or move an object ball will result in loss of game, the balls will be re-racked with the original breaker of the stalemated game breaking again. The stalemate rule may be applied regard-less of the number of balls on the table. Please Note : Three consecutive fouls by one player in 8-ball is not a loss of game.

 

[NaClBandit]

It becomes a stalemate game, not a loss.

Here is the BCA rule:

STALEMATED GAME
If, after 3 consecutive turns at the table by each player (6 turns total), the referee judges that attempting to pocket or move an object ball will result in loss of game, the balls will be re-racked with the original breaker of the stalemated game breaking again. The stalemate rule may be applied regard-less of the number of balls on the table. Please Note : Three consecutive fouls by one player in 8-ball is not a loss of game.

So each player can legally take 3 consecutive intentional fouls?

 

[MFB]

So each player can legally take 3 consecutive intentional fouls?

Yup. They can. Course, after every foul, the other person gets ball-in-hand.

 

[unknownpro]

Does anyone know the rules the IPT will use...or is likely to use?

I was told 8-ball in the US sometimes doesn't have call shot...ie. Allows slop.

Also, can I play my ball, say a bank shot, which knocks in an opponent's ball before my ball drops and continue?

The Camel Pro 8-ball tournaments allowed slop. It is a better way to play, imo because it allows you more chance to get out of terrible situations. They also played that you had to shoot stripes if you made a stripe on the break. That kinda sucks.

unknownpro

 

[theBeast]

Slop is a better way to play 8-Ball my a**! How many times have you played with slop and had a worse player beat you because of it? If you're going to play, play with skill.
Also, a comment on the 3 foul rule. If you have to play 3 foul to win an 8-Ball game/match, you don't need to be playing.

 

[raza]

IPT rules

ive been checking the IPT website for rules and as of yet none have been posted, ive heard some rumours going around, no jump cues allowed alternating breaks and breaking within the square i have no idea if any are true is anyone ostinf anything they know to be happening for reals i sure like to see it ..thanks

Q&A section covers some of your questions: http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt/QandA/default.asp and the first press release did also mention those facts: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000pressrelease.cfm?id=429

"-All events will be 8-Ball
-4 1/2 inch pockets
-Slow nap cloths
-No breaking from the side rails
-Winners break
-No shot clocks
-No jump cues"

 

[rackmsuckr]

Does anyone know the rules the IPT will use...or is likely to use?

I was told 8-ball in the US sometimes doesn't have call shot...ie. Allows slop.

Also, can I play my ball, say a bank shot, which knocks in an opponent's ball before my ball drops and continue?

I sure hope so. I once called the 8-ball to bank in the opposite side pocket where one my opponent's balls was sitting. I banked, made his ball and the 8 followed it in for the win.

And while I hope slop isn't allowed, I sure hope it is call pocket, instead of nitty call shot.

 

[rackmsuckr]

thank you for the info.what are your feeling about the sardo rack didnt see it mentioned wonder what the player would have to say.

While the Sardo does rack them tightly, it leaves little depressions in the table that at the right speed, will grab the ball and make it sink into the dent. I've seen some pretty goofy rolls around the rack area because of it. It may also account for more clusters left around the rack or balls landing to rest, sticking together. And, if we have to do the racking, it hurts your back to lift it forward and remove, especially if you are short. Maybe we will have rack girls...or boys.