What shots give you trouble??

frankncali

frankncali

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Here are a few shots that I know seem to give me a tough time. Maybe they
just dont sit well to my eye i dunno.

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If I miss it its usually to where I placed the letter "B".
Flip the shot to the other corner and I dont have much trouble with that
and actually shoot it well.

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Not exactly the setup here but shooting and having to spin in the object ball
to my left (like the eight in the Wei) is much harder than spinning in
the 9 in the same layout. It does not have to be this tough of a shot. Almost all spin shots that way are tougher for me than the opposite way.

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Sometimes on tight tables I dont hit straight in shots along the rail that well.
Both sides of the table. I like to leave myself a little angle on balls a little off the rail rather than have them straight in even if its the nine.


Anyone else have any shots that give them trouble. Any help with these
would be appreciated. I know people are going to say practice them and I already know that. Just looking for maybe a tip or something. and I am curious as to some shots that others have trouble with. Maybe I can practice those as well.
 
Tough shots, Frank.

Shot #1 has always challenged me. On a tricky cut using a firm stroke with a lot of English, the aim can be a bit tough to judge. My advice is to use a loop bridge and to experiment hitting this with a little less english than you usually have. If your cue is nice and level, you may still be able to get very respectable shape.

Shot #2 is a shot I probably wouldn't even play. I might bank it long, running the cue ball into the nine (doesn't look straight enough to play a stop shot), but I think the best chance of winning here might be to play safe off the left edge of the eight, leaving opponent on the head rail.

Shot #3 is really the same as any long straight shot. If you stay down on the shot, the most typcal reason for missing will be unintended english. Since there is no shape to play, a strong argument can be made for using center ball here, and don't hit this one too hard, either.

As for me, I always struggled with the thin cuts up one of the short rails, even when the object ball was relatively near the pocket. I had too great a tendency to play these shots with outside english and noticed that a friend (who played weaker than me) seemed to do well hitting the shot with center ball. I tried it for myself and found it quite a bit easier to pocket. Now, I only use outside if position play requires it or if the cut is paper thin. I'm getting better at the shot.
 
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Usually I am ok with inside english, but for some reason I always end up misjudging the cut on this one with low inside. Usually the shot gives me trouble when the tangent line is going towards the upper corner and into a scratch, and you need some draw to keep it of the pocket and plenty of inside to bring it around the table.
 
henho said:
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Usually I am ok with inside english, but for some reason I always end up misjudging the cut on this one with low inside. Usually the shot gives me trouble when the tangent line is going towards the upper corner and into a scratch, and you need some draw to keep it of the pocket and plenty of inside to bring it around the table.
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From that angle, you are in a long line of people who have trouble with the 3 rail shape.
 
frankncali said:
Here are a few shots that I know seem to give me a tough time. Maybe they
just dont sit well to my eye i dunno.

wei table
1-
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)END

If I miss it its usually to where I placed the letter "B".
Flip the shot to the other corner and I dont have much trouble with that
and actually shoot it well.

2-
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Not exactly the setup here but shooting and having to spin in the object ball
to my left (like the eight in the Wei) is much harder than spinning in
the 9 in the same layout. It does not have to be this tough of a shot. Almost all spin shots that way are tougher for me than the opposite way.

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Sometimes on tight tables I dont hit straight in shots along the rail that well.
Both sides of the table. I like to leave myself a little angle on balls a little off the rail rather than have them straight in even if its the nine.


Anyone else have any shots that give them trouble. Any help with these
would be appreciated. I know people are going to say practice them and I already know that. Just looking for maybe a tip or something. and I am curious as to some shots that others have trouble with. Maybe I can practice those as well.
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the first shot is all about speed.......i'm sure you understan how throw works........the point of aim changes depending on the amount of english.....as well as the speed at which you hit it.

this is a common problem for people when spinning a ball.......they aim the same place for different speeds, which will lead to inconsistent shot making.

the second shot, if on a good table, i would be tempted to thin cue the 8 in the pocket, and play shape on the 9 by going up and back down the table. on a not so good table, i would play the safe as sjm stated. on on days when i'm really feeling good, maybe bank it. but on most days, i think i'd try to cut that ball.


the third is a tough shot, especially if there is no angle, there isn't much you can do but make the ball.

VAP
 
henho said:
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Usually I am ok with inside english, but for some reason I always end up misjudging the cut on this one with low inside. Usually the shot gives me trouble when the tangent line is going towards the upper corner and into a scratch, and you need some draw to keep it of the pocket and plenty of inside to bring it around the table.
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shots like this, you should practice daily, if you're going to be competive at 9 ball. they can be really tricky.

VAP
 
henho said:
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Usually I am ok with inside english, but for some reason I always end up misjudging the cut on this one with low inside. Usually the shot gives me trouble when the tangent line is going towards the upper corner and into a scratch, and you need some draw to keep it of the pocket and plenty of inside to bring it around the table.
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For me, I've discovered that I need a lot less siding and bottom, quite close to centerball actually. Of course it depends on the angles into the first rail. This shot is still not my most reliable, but since I started hitting it closer to centerball I've had much better success.

Great thread btw, I'll have to get busy and post the couple hundred shots I have difficulty with :(

Dave
 
DaveK said:
For me, I've discovered that I need a lot less siding and bottom, quite close to centerball actually. Of course it depends on the angles into the first rail. This shot is still not my most reliable, but since I started hitting it closer to centerball I've had much better success.

Great thread btw, I'll have to get busy and post the couple hundred shots I have difficulty with :(

Dave
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My sentiments exactly, Dave. I'm waiting on the thread with shots that don't give you trouble :) . My list on this thread would be much shorter.

Mike
 
Thanks

My #2 shot I thnk I set it up a little harder than I wanted to.
Its really any spin shot to the left. I dont have a problem with the
spin shots to the right. More problems than normal that is.

The 9 is just there to represent the cut to the right. i did not mena to imply that I had to get out from there.

Henho-- Thats a shot I used to practice alot. I knew a real good player and that was one of about 5 shots he told me to practice alot. He said to learn to hit it with all kinds of english and to get to different spots with the cue ball.


SJM- In the past I quit playing for about 6 years. Before that I had trouble with those thin cuts as well. When I quit I sold almost all of my cues and really did not have a playing cue but rather a few nice ones that I did not play with. I bought a Predator and the thin cuts became alot easier.
Now I would say that one of the strengths of game would be cutting balls.
If I only have to just make the ball then I use center. The shots get tougher with english.

Theres alot of shots that give people trouble but usually there seems to be a couple that players know gives them more trouble than others. I always
wondered if right handed guys had trouble with certain shots lefties did not and vis-versa. Not only reach problems but just ball making.
 
I'll just show what I think is ordinary shot that I seem to have some trouble with. I can under cut it or over cut it depending on how much of the moon is out that night.

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How about getting the cueball out of the way for this little one-pocket bank?

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Amazingly enough almost everyone of these shots (except LancerV' nice 9 ball shot and bazookajoes nifty bank) are covered in my Aiming Workout. If you go to the preview on my website you'll see how I've numbered and labeled these and all shots. You'll also see me starting to go into the straight in along the rail shot which is the first shot in the actual workout that is based on 24 of pools most missable shots. The actual workout calls for you to pocket 185 successfull shots while recording your misses. The idea of the workout is to reduce your misses each time you do the workout or even better, lower your misses monthly.

The shot you'll see towards the end of the introductory clip (straight in along the rail) is somewhat easy, if we didn't fade out right there you would see I gradually move the object ball from 1-3-4 feet away while drawing straight back, shooting 5 shots on the left side of the table and 5 on the right side.

I go into fairly great detail on how to approach all these shots, how and why I think some shots create illusions that make us all or at least many of us approach or look at them wrong in the first place. The workout itself is very, very difficult and I wouldn't recommend it for anybody under a very determined "C" level player. Most players can't make it thru once, never mind daily.

By the way, it is an aiming system and it does show you a very precise way to compensate for all physical factors such as squirt, throw an initial aim.
 
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