what to do 1pocket

[jtompilot]

I've looked at all the options mentioned and none of them seem right with the exception of the two to three rail kick around the stack toward the eight. This shot is my choice and should be hit with a medium speed. I see four things that can happen with this shot and three of them are productive, the other is less likely to happen with a minimal consequense.
If you're able to clear the four with your kick you will either hit the third rail behind the eight and move it cross table, or hit the eight before contacting the third rail which will also remove the eight, and as a plus you may relocate the cue ball near or in the stack. If you hit the four off the second rail of your kick you will either go to the side rail with the cue ball and back into the stack, or could possibly sell out a bank on the ten ball, but that is really unlikely but could happen. So sharpen up your kicking skills and go for it.

Hi Billy, I'm sure you dont remember me but we met in St. Louis at Cue and Cushion many years ago. I like reading your posts and your views of different shots.

For me, 3 of 4 times it didnt work. For you I'm sure it works. I actually like leaving the 8 there to one or two rail later.

 

[td873]

you do not have to be in any danger of losing the game to take an intentional foul. i still would take the foul i discribed here, because it protects 3 balls on my side of the table. any time i can come to the table with 3 balls on my side, i feel like my previous shot was a good one.

To each their own. And it might work for you against certain opponents. Personally I think it falls into the "I saw Efren shoot a cool shot, so I am going to try it" category, and (for me) is not one of the top few options here.

And just because it works, doesn't mean it was the BEST option at the time - just the one that worked. The corallaries are also true, you don't always need the BEST option to win the game; and even if you chose the "best" shot, you still might lose.

-td

 

[td873]

I've looked at all the options mentioned and none of them seem right with the exception of the two to three rail kick around the stack toward the eight. This shot is my choice and should be hit with a medium speed. I see four things that can happen with this shot and three of them are productive, the other is less likely to happen with a minimal consequense.
If you're able to clear the four with your kick you will either hit the third rail behind the eight and move it cross table, or hit the eight before contacting the third rail which will also remove the eight, and as a plus you may relocate the cue ball near or in the stack. If you hit the four off the second rail of your kick you will either go to the side rail with the cue ball and back into the stack, or could possibly sell out a bank on the ten ball, but that is really unlikely but could happen. So sharpen up your kicking skills and go for it.

Since we've got the guru's attention!

If you didn't like the 2/3 railer (for whatever reason), what would option #2 or #3 be for you?

-td

 

[androd]

If your only two choices here were to take an intentional foul or give up the 8 ball, which would you choose?

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I would leave a long shot at the 8 ball,with no angle for position. If you take a foul you owe one every time, if he makes the 8 ball, your in a very slightly worse position, he has a ball verses you owing one. I don't think your opponent will make the 8 ball every time, unless it's a very easy table. As for all the intentional scratches, you better be playing a weaker player or an even match at the least, this is a very bad strategy against a better player.

 

[jtompilot]

I've seen Buddy Hall take a few. There's a thread with Cliff taking several.

So its not always a bad thing.

 

[1pocket]

I've looked at all the options mentioned and none of them seem right with the exception of the two to three rail kick around the stack toward the eight. This shot is my choice and should be hit with a medium speed. I see four things that can happen with this shot and three of them are productive, the other is less likely to happen with a minimal consequense.
If you're able to clear the four with your kick you will either hit the third rail behind the eight and move it cross table, or hit the eight before contacting the third rail which will also remove the eight, and as a plus you may relocate the cue ball near or in the stack. If you hit the four off the second rail of your kick you will either go to the side rail with the cue ball and back into the stack, or could possibly sell out a bank on the ten ball, but that is really unlikely but could happen. So sharpen up your kicking skills and go for it.

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Billy, please tell me you are talking about this short three rail kick, and not the long three railer around the other end of the table that someone diagrammed earlier. Otherwise I am going to worry about you

 

[dabarbr]

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Billy, please tell me you are talking about this short three rail kick, and not the long three railer around the other end of the table that someone diagrammed earlier. Otherwise I am going to worry about you

It's pretty certain that this is what he meant.

He does mention that if he could clear the four ball. This is my choice along with thinning the five and bringing the cue ball back into the stack with left or a little masse.

 

[onepocket1]

I've looked at all the options mentioned and none of them seem right with the exception of the two to three rail kick around the stack toward the eight. This shot is my choice and should be hit with a medium speed. I see four things that can happen with this shot and three of them are productive, the other is less likely to happen with a minimal consequense.
If you're able to clear the four with your kick you will either hit the third rail behind the eight and move it cross table, or hit the eight before contacting the third rail which will also remove the eight, and as a plus you may relocate the cue ball near or in the stack. If you hit the four off the second rail of your kick you will either go to the side rail with the cue ball and back into the stack, or could possibly sell out a bank on the ten ball, but that is really unlikely but could happen. So sharpen up your kicking skills and go for it.

I've seen this shot many times and it almost always comes out well.

 

[androd]

I've seen Buddy Hall take a few. There's a thread with Cliff taking several.

So its not always a bad thing.

As I said you better be playing weaker players, as they can't take scratches with you.

 

[jtompilot]

It's pretty certain that this is what he meant.

He does mention that if he could clear the four ball. This is my choice along with thinning the five and bringing the cue ball back into the stack with left or a little masse.

Thats a great shot if you hit the three rail perfect. If not it mostly ends up bad. I like a little more room for error. I'm only going too shot that kick if i"m desperate.

 

[sixpack]

As much as I've tried I've never been able to get the Wei Table application to work on my computer. I have a Mac. I've installed Adobe Shockwave and it doesn't seem to help. I'd love to see what's going on here, but can't.

I used to have this problem too. But it seems to have gone away with the latest version of OS/X. For an older version, this is the way to fix it: (OS/X)

1) Open up your finder and open the 'applications' folder.
2) Choose the browser you're using (Safari probably) and click on it to select it. Then, once it's highlighted enter {command-I} for 'Get Info'
3) There is a checkbox that says "Open using Rosetta" - Click that checkbox.

I have to turn it off for other things, so it's a pain in the ass. BUT what's great is that since I installed the new version of OS/X it works without having to open in Rosetta.

Let me know if that works for you. Pm me if you need more info.

~rc

 

[td873]

From Post 48

Honestly, I think you would be better off kicking 2 rails at the 8 ball than playing an intentional foul from here...

From Post 66

I honestly believe that there is NO WAY Cliff, John, Jose, Billy, Efren, etc would be taking a foul from here.

Words of Wisdom from the master - Post 80

I've looked at all the options mentioned and none of them seem right with the exception of the two to three rail kick around the stack toward the eight...

-td

 

[td873]

Thats a great shot if you hit the three rail perfect. If not it mostly ends up bad. I like a little more room for error. I'm only going too shot that kick if i"m desperate.

Like I said, too each there own.

But you do know who wincardona is though right? I'm fairly certain he's not advocating a desperate shot here.

-td

 

[jtompilot]

Like I said, too each there own.

But you do know who wincardona is though right? I'm fairly certain he's not advocating a desperate shot here.

-td

Billy's not desperate. I cant even hold his cue. But I tell you what, I've got a $100 that says you shot the 2/3 rail kick to the bottom rail at the 8 ball 10 times and I'll shoot the 15 towards my side of the table 10 times and see who ends up in the better position the most times. Billy, you can also have that same bet. That may be my only chance too win some money from the WinMaster.

 

[dabarbr]

Thats a great shot if you hit the three rail perfect. If not it mostly ends up bad. I like a little more room for error. I'm only going too shot that kick if i"m desperate.

For one that plays a fair amount of one pocket this is somewhat of a routine shot. This type of a two rail kick comes up quite often. A one pocket player is very comfortable in playing it.

I personally shoot one of these types of shots maybe at least once every couple of games. If the object ball is closer to their pocket I then prefer to hit it softer and make sure to be short rather than long. In the example shown the hit is easier and and can be done with good control.

 

[td873]

Billy, you can also have that same bet. That may be my only chance too win some money from the WinMaster.

Nice! Calling out a 1 pocket legend on the internet! Intesting that you would insinuate that his suggested shot is so bad that he needs a $100 shoot off to prove it's a good choice. eek. As I understand it, he has played the game once or twice, so I wouldn't dismiss his suggestion so lightly.

I'm not sure he would shoot proposition shots for $100, but I would venture to say he would take you up at $100 a game though.

-td

 

[dabarbr]

Billy's not desperate. I cant even hold his cue. But I tell you what, I've got a $100 that says you shot the 2/3 rail kick to the bottom rail at the 8 ball 10 times and I'll shoot the 15 towards my side of the table 10 times and see who ends up in the better position the most times. Billy, you can also have that same bet. That may be my only chance too win some money from the WinMaster.

For sure your shot, when hit correctly, would wind up more favoredly with position than Billys shot because it's an offensive shot. Billys shot is more conservative than yours. I'm guessing your choice is the shot posted here at #38.

I think if you hit it more times you will see that there is some probably of something going wrong. For me it's asking for too much when the risk is not needed. For me I like leaving the table knowing where all the balls will be at. Again the price of the game certainly would dictate what selection one makes.

 

[Neil]

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[jtompilot]

Fair warning guys, you don't want to bet a pro on a prop shot like that. In 3 shots at the most, they will have it dialed in. Then it's just repeat, repeat, repeat, ect. They KNOW where they hit the cb, and the rail, and what speed they used. They aren't 'guessing' like the rest of us.

I've lost plenty of times all over the country. I'm not calling out Billy, I'm willing to lose $100 on our two different shots. I feel I have a better chance on this than an even one pocket game againt Billy. For that matter Shmitty might want another $100 from me.

I love one pocket, I love learning new moves. I've been mowed over more times than I care to talk about. But, sometimes I come with some strong $hit.

 

[wincardona]

Thats a great shot if you hit the three rail perfect. If not it mostly ends up bad. I like a little more room for error. I'm only going too shot that kick if i"m desperate.

The kick as shown in post 87 is not the correct angle as described. After the cue ball departs the second rail it barely misses the four ball, so consequently if the kick is executed correctly very little can go rong and if you happen to graze the four ball good things can also happen, as I described in my earlier post. Shooting the 15 ball two rails isn't a bad shot but it has to be hit very well in terms of not only direction but just as importantly with speed as well.You can also scratch twice across shooting the 15 ball. Another factor when shooting the 15 ball is the return shots you leave, not only on the eight but the 15 as well. Actually the 15 ball is only a good shot if you make it or hang it, anything else is non productive. Lets position the cue ball where you would like it to be after shooting the 15 ball, and then figure out what you would shoot next if you made it. You have the best position in terms of ball position, so protect it and improve on it the next time you come to the table. And yes I will gamble on the kick shot over the 15 ball two railer.