What to do if your opponent played this 9B safety?
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The only real safety I see is to come off the right side of the 8 with top right english and try to get the cueball backdown table near the lower left hand pocket and putting the 9 between the cue ball and the 8 ball. Difficult to execute, but a game winner.
Southpaw
Southpaw
GADawg said:
It's completely in the way geometrically, but you have to put follow on the cueball because of it's proximity to the top rail, which is going to stretch it out quite a bit. Depending on the felt and rails, it may still require a little running english to stretch it out further, but my point is that the 8 is 1/4" off the rail, which not only makes the kick much easier to judge, it makes the 8 a much bigger ball because you can hit ball-first or rail-first and still make it. It's also only about a foot and a half from the pocket, and if those are 5" pockets, then it makes the kick that much easier.
I don't like that end of the bet because the 8 is too big. It's pretty easy to hit the 8 from there, and the shooter has a decent margin of error if he can just hit the correct side of the 8. I wouldn't say it's always a bad bet, but it might be depending on who the shooter is; the guy could be a 3-cushion specialist, and I think any good kicker's got the nuts from that spot on the right equipment.
Aaron
if the 8 is frozen then it really sucks, i might kick at it as well, if the 8 was 1/4" off the rail I would hit it hard enough to send the rock over by the nine and might get lucky there or leave a tough shot by leaving it long, i would fire it hard enough to roll up by the 8 up and back speed so if it missed the 9 and I over cut the 8 the rock might get funny being close to the 8. its a bad position no matter what,
Aaron_S said:You'd give an unknown player three swings at a fairly straightforward 1-rail kick shot where the ob is 1/4" off the cushion and only 18" from the pocket (with no mention of the size of the pocket, btw)??? All I can say is good luck with that.
Aaron
Yup, i'd give an unknown player 3 tries too. Come into any of our rooms, on any table, no practice swings at it, and bet. The 9 is in the way of the natural kick, so he's using follow/english. The 8 IS 18" from the pocket which is why i'd give it, it's off the rail which does make it a lil easier, but still. It's not a hanger even for a billiard player with a diamond system printed out in his pocket. That's what gambling's all about. Sure he might make it on the 3rd shot. I doubt he'll make it on the first attempt, second attempt if he knows how to adjust might get close, 3rd and final - he's gotta have heart, and trust himself to execute the shot consistently enough. he's got a chance... I'm betting he doesn't run out with the kick.
BTW, if your his backer, what would you like to see him do... And would you back him again if he decided the kick was the best out?
cuetable said:
<beginner Vs beginner= just shoot and laugh like hell, there are probably 10 innings left in this game anyway.
<beginner Vs intermediate= just shoot and laugh like the pool idiot you are...
<beginner Vs advanced= just shoot because you have no chance anyway and you know it....
<intermediate Vs beginner= just shoot as you will win no matter what.
<intermediate Vs intermediate=shoot hard enough to give the 8b six chances to go.
<intermediate Vs advanced=see above
<advanced Vs beginner=it doesn't matter what you do you are going to win anyway...
<advanced Vs intermediate=take a winning type shot; go down in flames as it where...
<advanced Vs advanced=situation couldn't happen because no advanced player would have shot SJM's safety in the first place...
I have checked and checked over and over, and that 9 ball doesnt get in the way of that diamond at all in this drawing. I believe that I can hit that 8 3 out of 5 all day or better. Pocket it in the corner there; maybe not so much, but I dont think that a miss would leave you in much worse of a position than a missed bank, or rolling out to opposite sides where the 8 has a chance to pocket the 9 on a bank shot.
Come on over, I am sure after play concludes you can get all types of people to bet that they can kick that 8.
Come on over, I am sure after play concludes you can get all types of people to bet that they can kick that 8.
I'm gonna try it tonight..
PROG8R said:
I 100% agree with you, very easy to hit the 8, probably make it a few times out of 5 tries. With it being off the rail, you can make it hitting it perfect going into the ball, or kick it in coming off the rail. But given only 3 attempts to make it once and run out? It's worth a friendly wager definately (NOT thousands like the other guy wanted) I just think the shooter is the slight underdog in making it once out of 3. And that's better than a casino is offering in odds. It's not a lock, or the nuts that i'll win, but it's definately a fair bet. I will really try to get down there this weekend, wouldn't mind seeing the tourny either. Personally I'd be hesitant taking the bet with 3 shots, i might ask for 5.
My question before is, if your backing someone and they decide to kick here, are you happy with them? (of course we're happy if he wins from there) but is it the best option.
I live by this rule, if i can't win from here, i don't wanna loose from here.
PROG8R said:
You know you have to make it to win, not hit it, yes?
