What Weight? How to beat this guy?

Haha, I was thinking the same. Hell, table time will be twice the bet anyway. I hope they're not splitting time!

Egg McDogit said:
sounds like it might take you a while playing races to 5 for $10.
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Personally ...

I wouldn't spot you anything, especially playing that cheap.
You would have to pony up a $100 a set, and you are not
going to get the 'nuts'. You want to win, play the game,
and play it well, or you don't deserve to win. And anybody
dogging the 9 three times doesn't deserve to win ... sorry
I am not sympathetic to your cause. You just want to win
without earning it. I agree with earlier post, you don't dictate
the spot, the better player does, you can play or not play,
it is up to you, BUT you have to step up your game.
 
Anyone can win a race to 3 - they are too short.

Play him a race to 5 (or 7) for $50 even. See how you par up against this. Races under 5 are just too short and don't give you a good idea of your speed against him.
 
GStrong said:
[...].

Anyway, here is the situation: Yesterday, I decide to match with this young guy for a few cheap sets. Race to 3 for 10. He wins the first 2, I win one, he wins 2 more, so I am down $30. All very close matches, I ran out a couple times, but also dogged the 9 three times, and scratched 2 times.

So, I tell him that is enough for me unless I get some weight. We decide, I get the 7ball wild, he gets the breaks, for $10 a game, which is pretty hefty for me, but I liked my odds. Anyway, I win 2, he wins 1, I win 1, and he quits, saying that I am getting too much weight. I thought it was pretty even at this point.

So then, I agree to getting the breaks, plus ball in hand after the break for $5 bucks a rack. He takes another $20 and I call it quits. So, all in all, I am only down $30, but he is gonna be there again tonight.

My question is: What weight should I insist on? How do I beat this guy? I was really comfortable playing for any stake, when I was getting the 7, but I doubt he is gonna go for it. And, I don't think the 8 is enough. But I do need the practice playing for cash, because that seems to be the only thing that makes me focus. What do y'all think?

Thanks for any help.

Gary
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several things

I think this adjusting every twenty minutes stuff is for the birds.

You're new at gambling. Assuming he's more experienced, the incessant renegotiation will favor him.

It sounds wierd to me that you beat him getting the seven but lose getting the break and bih after the break.

It's a bad idea to play someone you don't know who is somewhat better than you and you somehow communicate that you're going to start cheap to "see how it goes." There's enough people out there whose attention would shift from playing pool to keeping you in the game and keeping you interested.
I think he needs to believe you're not going to either raise the bet and not going to adjust. Otherwise he may be playing games.

Why don't you see if he'll give you one game on the wire going to 4 for ten a set? Tell him that seems fair to you (it does to me) and that you'll play all night like that.

mike page
fargo
 
GStrong said:
Thanks for all the advice!!!

I am gonna bust him tonight.

Not to make an excuse, but I had just come from the gym and had not warmed up before we started playing, so hopefully today I will be a little more prepared and plenty warmed up beforehand.

Thanks again!
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Just curious, how did it go? What did you ask for and what did you get?
 
CaptainHook said:
This is a good idea. I have given guys the 7 before, Somtimes after i broke if i had no shot my push would be to the shoot the 7 in a hole if i could see it.
Therfore taking his weight ball off the tabel...
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Are you dim? That results in immediate cessation of all action and is horrible advice. I am disgustipated that you would even think that is a viable option.

Brain...ON.

So, your opponent turns around and shoots the 9 in the hole. By your logic, that would stay down too. How will either of you win?!?

Thanks for the laugh:cool:
 
You could try being a man and play him even up. Besides you could then consintate more on your game and think less about adjusting your next bet to match how good your last set was.
 
Well.... the guy never showed, but I did go 6-0 in league.. LOL

I am sure I will run into him again next week.

Let me just say, I agree with many of your posts. I am not trying to be a locksmith, and I am not trying to get over on this guy. I need to structure my practice more and I need to quit dogging the nine. The main reason for my post in because I would just like to be able to play high quality competion for several hours without losing $50-100 bucks a day. I will probably ask him for the last two and the breaks, but try a longer set, which will probably cost me more. Thanks again!
 
We need ...

a new word for nit pickers about spots. I get so tired
of all the players nowdays wanting the nuts in a game,
and crying if they don't get it. Adjusting after each
set is for the birds. Used to be that there was NO
adjustment or a spot unless someone was $500 down,
not this penny ante stuff for $10,$20. Spots used to
only come in when the money went up, i.e., 8 for $100-200
set, 7 for $500 a set. If you are going to give up weight,
make them pay to do it. Giving away weight in cheap
sets is just short changing yourself. The good player that
gives away a lot of weight all the time, and ends up losing
a lot is still called a sucker.
 
Black-Balled said:
Are you dim? That results in immediate cessation of all action and is horrible advice. I am disgustipated that you would even think that is a viable option.

Brain...ON.

So, your opponent turns around and shoots the 9 in the hole. By your logic, that would stay down too. How will either of you win?!?

Thanks for the laugh:cool:
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Sorry for the misunderstanding. The "This is a good idea" was about the post before that i had quoted. :D :D :D :D
 
davidhop said:
See if he will give up the call 7, if not get the break and the last two. You should come out all right if it was that close before.
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Start by asking for the call 7 and the breaks, complain about being down $30 already. If he says no, say ok just the call 7. Then go to the break and the last 2 if not.

Mack
 
Snapshot9 said:
a new word for nit pickers about spots. I get so tired
of all the players nowdays wanting the nuts in a game,
and crying if they don't get it. Adjusting after each
set is for the birds. Used to be that there was NO
adjustment or a spot unless someone was $500 down,
not this penny ante stuff for $10,$20. Spots used to
only come in when the money went up, i.e., 8 for $100-200
set, 7 for $500 a set. If you are going to give up weight,
make them pay to do it. Giving away weight in cheap
sets is just short changing yourself. The good player that
gives away a lot of weight all the time, and ends up losing
a lot is still called a sucker.
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Here's a word... "People that work for a living."

Not everyone has $500 a set. This aint the green room at Derby city. It's just a little pool hall in San Antonio and I am just trying to make a fair game that will last me a few hours.
 
I don't gamble often, but when I do it's straight up. I never ask for a spot or a break. If I don't think I can win that way, I shouldn't be gambling with that person. Asking for a handicapp is admitting you're not as good as that person, which in turn leads to an underachiever kind of attitude or self-fullfilling prophecy. If you start out thinking you need a leg up, then you're going to need it.

I've never had a problem getting better players to play me if I'm not betting. I've also played people sets for something out of the ordinary like lunch just to make it more competitive.

You should approach every match with the attitude "I'm not going to miss a shot because I want to clean this guy out" as opposed to thinking "I can't miss a shot or this guy will be all over me"
 
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supergreenman said:
I don't gamble often, but when I do it's straight up. I never ask for a spot or a break. If I don't think I can win that way, I shouldn't be gambling with that person. Asking for a handicapp is admitting you're not as good as that person, which in turn leads to an underachiever kind of attitude or self-fullfilling prophecy. If you start out thinking you need a leg up, then you're going to need it.

I've never had a problem getting better players to play me if I'm not betting. I've also played people sets for something out of the ordinary like lunch just to make it more competitive.

You should approach every match with the attitude "I'm not going to miss a shot because I want to clean this guy out" as opposed to thinking "I can't miss a shot or this guy will be all over me"
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Its more then just about the win, its about the $$$. I can admit im a lesser player then Efren, if he wants to gamble i obviously need a spot. So yes in this needing a spot is admiting i dont play on efrens level. But this does not make me a underachiever. It just means I want the match to be fair or even better so i have the nuts. (I always try to make my weight when needed fair).

You think if I ask for the 2 out and Efren gives it to me im not going to jump all over it. Call me a underachiever, but bottem line is i want the money.

(I used efren as a extreme example)

Mack
 
silly idealistic me, but i always thought the idea of giving weight was to EVEN things up. if all your games are close, then the one who screws up loses.

however, i understand the practical side of all this,,,,which is "giving weight" is good only if you win.
 
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