what will the doommongers have to do when we get paid from Reno

[returnofthemac]

I was just wondering what all the doomangers will have to do when the players get paid for the world open,what is going to fill all your lives then.
Ok we should of had payment by now that is a no brainer,but we all got paid for the north american open,everybody got paid from the KOTH,so there is no reason to rip the whole IPT to shreds,for what the IPT has already done for all of us i think they deserve to be given some leeway on this matter,i honestly beleive that everything is going to be ok with the IPT for myself and for every other pool player in the world who wants to make a living out of this wonderful game it needs to be,just cut them a little slack and everything will be ok ,we have to beleive this

 

[Cuaba]

I hope you do get paid. But its not looking good.

 

[ribdoner]

I was just wondering what all the doomangers will have to do when the players get paid for the world open,what is going to fill all your lives then.
Ok we should of had payment by now that is a no brainer,but we all got paid for the north american open,everybody got paid from the KOTH,so there is no reason to rip the whole IPT to shreds,for what the IPT has already done for all of us i think they deserve to be given some leeway on this matter,i honestly beleive that everything is going to be ok with the IPT for myself and for every other pool player in the world who wants to make a living out of this wonderful game it needs to be,just cut them a little slack and everything will be ok ,we have to beleive this

Everyone, including the doomangers, will share your joy.

 

[cuetique]

We'll gather in a Satanic circle, in our secret underground fortress, and pray for the ultimate downfall of all Mankind!! Muaaaaaah haaaaa haaaaaa haaaaa!

 

[jay helfert]

I was just wondering what all the doomangers will have to do when the players get paid for the world open,what is going to fill all your lives then.
Ok we should of had payment by now that is a no brainer,but we all got paid for the north american open,everybody got paid from the KOTH,so there is no reason to rip the whole IPT to shreds,for what the IPT has already done for all of us i think they deserve to be given some leeway on this matter,i honestly beleive that everything is going to be ok with the IPT for myself and for every other pool player in the world who wants to make a living out of this wonderful game it needs to be,just cut them a little slack and everything will be ok ,we have to beleive this

I will stand up and applaud if and when you get paid.

 

[Timberly]

I was just wondering what all the doomangers will have to do when the players get paid for the world open,what is going to fill all your lives then.
Considering there's nothing I want more for pool or the players than for the IPT to succeed, I wouldn't say that I'm a "doomanger" though some might care to label me as such. You've never seen me say that it's over and this is the end. I won't say it because I hold out hope that this isn't the end. If the players get paid...GREAT! If the IPT continues... even better!
Ok we should of had payment by now that is a no brainer,but we all got paid for the north american open,everybody got paid from the KOTH,so there is no reason to rip the whole IPT to shreds,for what the IPT has already done for all of us i think they deserve to be given some leeway on this matter,
The IPT deserves kudos for the payouts to date but I don't think they or anyone deserves "leeway" for the conduct of the IPT this past month. I don't know if you play in regional events or not but there's quite a few in my area that provide players with a way to help support themselves. They pay at every event and have for yrs...they've provided these guys with gas, food, rent, & travel expenses. The people that run these get very little back and give up a lot of their time to do so because they love the game and the players. If you play in these events and rely upon them to help support yourself, would you be ok if they started doing this? They've done a lot for pool & it's players in the best way they could within their means. It's not the money KT has but if they had that kind of money, I'm sure they would. Seeing how they've sacrificed family time and money to do this, is it ok if they start not paying, lying, and/or being silent? What if all of the tournaments did this to you guys? You and many others are willing to accept it because of the dollar amount and the fact that you don't want to rock the boat. Not that you guys can actually do anything about it but you certainly shouldn't sit here and say it's "ok". I know this sounds a little extreme but by doing this, you're telling the rest of the pool world... the other promoters & TD's that have done a lot for pool that it's ok for them to do this to you in the future. Why shouldn't they think that? You've just said that it's ok for one promoter to do it to you so why not another and another? All this money that KT has given out is great but don't sell your values, and self respect for it
i honestly beleive that everything is going to be ok with the IPT for myself and for every other pool player in the world who wants to make a living out of this wonderful game it needs to be,just cut them a little slack and everything will be ok ,we have to beleive this

While I hope that everything is going to be ok, I won't say that I believe everything is going to be ok. I'm the type of person that while I will continue to hope, I also try to look at things realistically and logically.... ever have that nagging feeling inside that tells you something isn't right, no matter how right you want it to be? That's what I have right now and the reason is this...

I was actually more alarmed after KT's first email went out. In that, he stated that non-payment was due to the buyout.(this statement was an admission that they lied to you when they said FedEx didn't del the checks & they continued to lie when they kept telling people up to 2 days before KT's email that they were going out in a day or two) My first question is, why didn't he just say so in Reno? The fact that they didn't tell you guys this and instead lied about it, followed with complete silence for a month raised a very large red flag to me. If what KT's email said is true, then the blatant lies that they told you guys and the ensuing silence does not make sense.

There's one thing KT has failed to address in both emails to date since Reno... why they lied about the checks in the first place.

I don't know if we know each other or not... the only thing I know about you is that according to you, you play on the tour. This post was in no way meant to be derrogatory to you (I've seen others here call the players all kinds of names for ever believing in the IPT to begin with. You'll never hear me say that. I do not blame you guys for hoping and taking a chance). This was meant to try to convey my perspective of the situation. I wish you all the best and I really am on your side and hoping that everything works out. I'm just not the kind of person that can turn a blind eye to things that I see wrong.

 

[straybullet]

I will be happy when the players get paid. I will advise all of the players to get EVERYTHING IN WRITING in the future, regardless of what Kevin Trudeau says. If he's an honest person he will oblige. If he is not honest he will make excuses for not legally attaching his words to his wallet. Just be smart and take care of yourself first. If the IPT cannot understand that, don't involve yourself with them.

 

[ironman]

I was just wondering what all the doomangers will have to do when the players get paid for the world open,what is going to fill all your lives then.
Ok we should of had payment by now that is a no brainer,but we all got paid for the north american open,everybody got paid from the KOTH,so there is no reason to rip the whole IPT to shreds,for what the IPT has already done for all of us i think they deserve to be given some leeway on this matter,i honestly beleive that everything is going to be ok with the IPT for myself and for every other pool player in the world who wants to make a living out of this wonderful game it needs to be,just cut them a little slack and everything will be ok ,we have to beleive this

Should be retired by then and fishing.

 

[Nick B]

Welcome to the forum

Hello Mac,
Welcome to the forum. Would you like to make a little wager?

I have a small rule though. I insist you come out from under your rock. Who are you?

Nick

I was just wondering what all the doomangers will have to do when the players get paid for the world open,what is going to fill all your lives then.
Ok we should of had payment by now that is a no brainer,but we all got paid for the north american open,everybody got paid from the KOTH,so there is no reason to rip the whole IPT to shreds,for what the IPT has already done for all of us i think they deserve to be given some leeway on this matter,i honestly beleive that everything is going to be ok with the IPT for myself and for every other pool player in the world who wants to make a living out of this wonderful game it needs to be,just cut them a little slack and everything will be ok ,we have to beleive this

 

[Timberly]

Hello Mac,
Welcome to the forum. Would you like to make a little wager?

I have a small rule though. I insist you come out from under your rock. Who are you?

Nick

He replied to Bernie's post where Bernie was stereotyping all the players from the UK. He claimed to be a Brit and signed his post as so...

good luck Rob Mac

There's a Brit named Robert McKenna... possibly him. I'm not sure what bet you want to make with him but I will say to anyone that reads this thread... no need to pick on these guys for holding out hope. Considering there's nothing else in the pool world that was offering up the kind of money the IPT was offering, we can't blame them for hoping it was for real and for still hoping that they get paid and that things work out. I'm not saying these guys should follow blindly & believe everything they're told, but I will tell them to continue to hope. It doesn't cost anything to hope and until KT says "you're not getting paid", there's no reason for any of them to stop hoping.

There isn't any big money competition in the pool world as there is in the regular work force. I work for a company that's global and in the pet food business. I could easily go to a competitor and make the same amount or more money... that's life where regular jobs are concerned... not so in the pool world.

 

[Jimmy M.]

we have to beleive this

Is this like a "hope keeps us going" type of thing? It really doesn't matter what the doommongers do when you get paid. The real question is what are YOU going to do when you don't get paid? Apparently you're going to sit on your hands and wait.

I don't think there is anyone who really doesn't want to see you guys get paid. Everyone wants to see money paid out to all that are owed. However, with each passing day, it just seems less and less likely to happen. So before you go thinking that there are people who are enjoying this, keep in mind that every pool player and every fan of pool are hoping you guys get paid. This is a forum, you know. People WILL discuss their opinions. Right now my opinion, and a lot of other's as well, is that things aren't looking so hot for the I.P.T. It's been over a month. First they "forgot their checkbook", now it's because of the acquisition by Ho which, I might add, has produced NO announcements or any publicity at all. All the talk of Ho purchasing the I.P.T. has come from KT. Why should you believe that Ho is even purchasing the I.P.T.? And, if he is, it certainly isn't a done deal yet otherwise there would be some sort of announcement by someone other than KT and the I.P.T.

I'd want to have hope if I were owed money also, but I don't think that I could be totally oblivious to the facts and the possibility that I might not get paid.

 

[Klopek]

Is this like a "hope keeps us going" type of thing? It really doesn't matter what the doommongers do when you get paid. The real question is what are YOU going to do when you don't get paid? Apparently you're going to sit on your hands and wait.

I don't think there is anyone who really doesn't want to see you guys get paid. Everyone wants to see money paid out to all that are owed. However, with each passing day, it just seems less and less likely to happen. So before you go thinking that there are people who are enjoying this, keep in mind that every pool player and every fan of pool are hoping you guys get paid. This is a forum, you know. People WILL discuss their opinions. Right now my opinion, and a lot of other's as well, is that things aren't looking so hot for the I.P.T. It's been over a month. First they "forgot their checkbook", now it's because of the acquisition by Ho which, I might add, has produced NO announcements or any publicity at all. All the talk of Ho purchasing the I.P.T. has come from KT. Why should you believe that Ho is even purchasing the I.P.T.? And, if he is, it certainly isn't a done deal yet otherwise there would be some sort of announcement by someone other than KT and the I.P.T.

I'd want to have hope if I were owed money also, but I don't think that I could be totally oblivious to the facts and the possibility that I might not get paid.

Tap tap tap.

I don't consider myself a 'doommonger', mostly just someone who's realistic and can spot a fink like KT from a cyber universe away. I want every player to get every cent they deserve, and they deserve great things to happen.

I notice a lot of IPT players/supporters recently starting threads stating the doommongers are all going to eat crow. Current events suggest the doommongers are more likely to be the one's saying, "told you so".

This sucks and as a poolplayer and fan, I hate to see this happen. But if ole Yeller is a sufferin', we gots to put her down. How far are you supporters willing to extend the credit of a wellknown con artist?.

 

[Ruthless]

Timberly - I agree 200% about a steady job or business winning in the end. That's why I quit playing the bigger tours a loonnngggg time ago. There has never been any money in pool and even the IPT is structured so that only a small percentage of the players lived off of what they made in 2006. Unless they ate Ramen Noodles and lived in a tent in someone's back yard.

It's been over a month since the last tournament with close to another month until Chicago....... Even if they got up into the $10K bracket at the last event after their expenses they didn't make anything to brag about with way more than 3 months invested (McDonalds Mgr's pay).

With the tour prob moving to Asia anyway, most will die of starvation between events and expenses. Most will prob lose their tour cards way before the "big" December "payout " by missing events due to financial problems.

I do wish them well and hope their spouse has a good steady job or Daddy is loaded. For the top bracket we will see the same names making the same scores and they will live well if the IPT survives.

 

[jjinfla]

All of this should just be a final eye opener to anyone who wants to play professional pool. There is no money in it. If that is what you want then continue to play. If you want money then quit and find a job. Either way, quit complaining. This life was your career choice and it has been this way forever.

Jake

 

[professorpool]

This is indeed Rob McKenna. He's got a lot of egg on his face here in the UK where he has rather embaressed himself over the whole thing with some of the things he has said. A great player mind (at English pool at any rate) but not a lot of tallent at diplomacy.

Not as bad as some uk players on the IPT who have completely burned their bridges. Another, for example, was banned for two years form English pool for cheating so there is no way back for him for sure as he is also banned from one of the pro bodies for life.

He'll be back in a mo to give me a good booting - because I was one of the "doomongers" in the UK advising caution early in the tours life because of the warped business model.

Sorry for not agreeing with you Roberto. Silly me..

 

[returnofthemac]

This is indeed Rob McKenna. He's got a lot of egg on his face here in the UK where he has rather embaressed himself over the whole thing with some of the things he has said. A great player mind (at English pool at any rate) but not a lot of tallent at diplomacy.

Not as bad as some uk players on the IPT who have completely burned their bridges. Another, for example, was banned for two years form English pool for cheating so there is no way back for him for sure as he is also banned from one of the pro bodies for life.

He'll be back in a mo to give me a good booting - because I was one of the "doomongers" in the UK advising caution early in the tours life because of the warped business model.

Sorry for not agreeing with you Roberto. Silly me..

I advised everyone not to listen to a word this man says he attacks and puts down everything that he isnt involved in,here is a measure of the man,just one little quote from his own little world of diplomacy!


"Nothing would mae me laugh longer or harder than you mugs not getrting paid"
Now that really is a sign of a man who has the interest of pool at heart "not"

If anyone would like to see his handywork go to uk8ball.com and just browse his posts,and make your own judgements,but dont register and make any posts as that will only amuse him,and while you are at it you could browse my posts and see if you think i have egg on my face,my username is ttcotwrm,i really dont know what he is on about,i have ust tried to remain as positive as humanly possible,for that i am totally guilty

 

[returnofthemac]

Hello Mac,
Welcome to the forum. Would you like to make a little wager?

I have a small rule though. I insist you come out from under your rock. Who are you?

Nick

As you can see i am not hiding under some rock,my name is Rob Mckenna,i dont have any need to have a wager with you as i am sure
you are one of the guys who hope the IPT prospers?
BTW what is your name

 

[jasper]

I was just wondering what all the doomangers will have to do when the players get paid for the world open,what is going to fill all your lives then.
Ok we should of had payment by now that is a no brainer,but we all got paid for the north american open,everybody got paid from the KOTH,so there is no reason to rip the whole IPT to shreds,for what the IPT has already done for all of us i think they deserve to be given some leeway on this matter,i honestly beleive that everything is going to be ok with the IPT for myself and for every other pool player in the world who wants to make a living out of this wonderful game it needs to be,just cut them a little slack and everything will be ok ,we have to beleive this

Thats exactly what I have been saying.
Thanks for sharing a players feelings on the situation. I'm sure that many if not most of the IPT players feel the same as you.

 

[jasper]

While I hope that everything is going to be ok, I won't say that I believe everything is going to be ok. I'm the type of person that while I will continue to hope, I also try to look at things realistically and logically.... ever have that nagging feeling inside that tells you something isn't right, no matter how right you want it to be? That's what I have right now and the reason is this...

I was actually more alarmed after KT's first email went out. In that, he stated that non-payment was due to the buyout.(this statement was an admission that they lied to you when they said FedEx didn't del the checks & they continued to lie when they kept telling people up to 2 days before KT's email that they were going out in a day or two) My first question is, why didn't he just say so in Reno? The fact that they didn't tell you guys this and instead lied about it, followed with complete silence for a month raised a very large red flag to me. If what KT's email said is true, then the blatant lies that they told you guys and the ensuing silence does not make sense.

There's one thing KT has failed to address in both emails to date since Reno... why they lied about the checks in the first place.

I don't know if we know each other or not... the only thing I know about you is that according to you, you play on the tour. This post was in no way meant to be derrogatory to you (I've seen others here call the players all kinds of names for ever believing in the IPT to begin with. You'll never hear me say that. I do not blame you guys for hoping and taking a chance). This was meant to try to convey my perspective of the situation. I wish you all the best and I really am on your side and hoping that everything works out. I'm just not the kind of person that can turn a blind eye to things that I see wrong.

C'mon you're the one that likes to speak for the players.
You are the one that said players can't speak their minds, "but you could do it for them".
Well, you can't speak for the players when you don't know what you're talking about.
This players feelings are a good example of this.
So please give them more respect in the future than you have shown them so far.
I'm sure you are a nice person and mean well. I just think you are assuming a little too much if you think you can speak for the players as you have stated.
I'm sure they don't need you to speak for them.
If you were speaking for them, returnafthemac may never have had to speak out.
He had to because you have it all wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Timberly]

C'mon you're the one that likes to speak for the players.
You are the one that said players can't speak their minds, "but you could do it for them".
Well, you can't speak for the players when you don't know what you're talking about.
This players feelings are a good example of this.
So please give them more respect in the future than you have shown them so far.
I'm sure you are a nice person and mean well. I just think you are assuming a little too much if you think you can speak for the players as you have stated.
I'm sure they don't need you to speak for them.
If you were speaking for them, returnafthemac may never have had to speak out.
He had to because you have it all wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(sigh) You really are nothing but a neutered troll. Open your eye's you ball less wonder and try reading what I say.

My reply to your question in another thread that you chose to ignore...

As a matter of fact some have asked me to say something. I'm friends with both players and vendors in the industry. They respect me for having the guts to speak my mind and know that most people on here know that I'm honest & stand behind what I say. From time to time people have come up to me and suggested and/or asked that I say something on here... stuff that they "can't" say because of their position in the pool world.

So yes, my little IPT troll, some have asked me to speak for them.

I never said that I speak for all the players or that I even know all of the players. Again... read what I say.

I don't know the majority of members. I would venture a guess that I might know a 1/4 of the members and the majority of the ones that I know are willing to be quiet and patient because they don't want to rock the boat. Just as the ones that are angry are not willing to say anything.

Do not tell me to give these guys more respect. YOU give them more respect. We know who you are and we know how YOU treat the players.

If you want to call people out, grow some balls and admit who you are and just say these things under your real name.