what will the doommongers have to do when we get paid from Reno

Timberly said:
As the saying goes…. Common sense isn’t all that common. :rolleyes:

I was talking about what Nostroke said. When KT came out and said that the players weren't getting paid because of the buyout, I used common sense to figure out that they blatantly lied to the players.
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You used what you call your "common sense" to figure out they lied???!!!
Wow!!...... maybe you should hire yourself out as a "lie detector"!
If you can prove that you can actually do this, I'm sure the F.B.I or C.I.A would be very interested in offering a you a job!
Maybe you have some real "PROOF" the delay isn't due to the buy out.
If so, please let us all in on it.
Back up what you say !!!!
 
memikey said:
...and a good point it is.

...and if you told your wife, who was patiently waiting for you to arrive at her workplace to pick her up in your car, that you were already on your way in the car when in fact you knew that your car had never left the garage and that there was no intention for it to leave the garage for at least a couple of weeks.....that would be lying right?;)
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Yes, that would be lying.
It all comes down weather a person thinks he was lying or not.
All I am saying, is that there is no proof he was lying.
 
jasper said:
You used what you call your "common sense" to figure out they lied???!!!
Wow!!...... maybe you should hire yourself out as a "lie detector"!
If you can prove that you can actually do this, I'm sure the F.B.I or C.I.A would be very interested in offering a you a job!
Maybe you have some real "PROOF" the delay isn't due to the buy out.
If so, please let us all in on it.
Back up what you say !!!!
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Jasper,
I see your still here spouting your incessant BS and making friends. Where are the checks? You keep avoiding that question. Why is there a delay? - really... no BS ... no fairy tales or sob stories about the Chinese Corleone's holding up the funds because of an acquisition. Prove your intelligence by answering these questions seriously instead of pointing fingers and crying foul at Timberly and I for publicly challenging those idiotic excuses.

Debra
 
ironman said:
What if you had a flat on the same tire for 45 days?

What if she asked you which tire it was and she knew you had lied about it?
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I don't understand what you are trying to say.
 
jasper said:
Yes, that would be lying.
It all comes down weather a person thinks he was lying or not.
All I am saying, is that there is no proof he was lying.
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If his lips are moving, he's lying.
 
straybullet said:
Jasper,
I see your still here spouting your incessant BS and making friends. Where are the checks? You keep avoiding that question. Why is there a delay? - really... no BS ... no fairy tales or sob stories about the Chinese Corleone's holding up the funds because of an acquisition. Prove your intelligence by answering these questions seriously instead of pointing fingers and crying foul at Timberly and I for publicly challenging those idiotic excuses.

Debra
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Okay........Here goes.
I'm not avoiding that question at all. I don't know where the cheques are any more than you do.
I don't know what the holdup is any more than you do.
There, we finally agree on something! We both "don't" know the same things. (or do you?)
If you KNOW the conclusive answers to these questions please give us the exact details. If, at the end of the day, you are proven to have given the correct detailed answers to these questions you're "self procaimed intelligence" will shine.
I have answered these questions honestly. Will you?
 
jasper said:
Okay........Here goes.
I'm not avoiding that question at all. I don't know where the cheques are any more than you do.
I don't know what the holdup is any more than you do.
There, we finally agree on something! We both "don't" know the same things. (or do you?)
If you KNOW the conclusive answers to these questions please give us the exact details. If, at the end of the day, you are proven to have given the correct detailed answers to these questions you're "self procaimed intelligence" will shine.
I have answered these questions honestly. Will you?
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Ooop's..... missed the L in proclaimed.
Glad I caught it before jay spotted it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
jasper said:
Okay........Here goes.
I'm not avoiding that question at all. I don't know where the cheques are any more than you do.
I don't know what the holdup is any more than you do.
There, we finally agree on something! We both "don't" know the same things. (or do you?)
If you KNOW the conclusive answers to these questions please give us the exact details. If, at the end of the day, you are proven to have given the correct detailed answers to these questions you're "self procaimed intelligence" will shine.
I have answered these questions honestly. Will you?
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I have never in any of my posts pretended or insinuated that I know what is going on. I have disputed the excuses and used my dog toy analogy that you said "insulted" the players. Since posting that twice, I have communicated with several IPT players in person and through this forum and none of them have displayed or communicated any hard feelings. A lot of IPT players live in my area, including Mike Sigel, Charlie Williams, Miyuki Sakai, Wayne Catledge, Sarah Ellerby, etc, and a lot more live in Tampa/St. Pete. None of these players have been paid. All of them are worried to some extent, but remain hopeful. The problem now lies with the faith that the players will have in the IPT. That is an unavoidable issue. Its one thing to tell the players to be patient about the pay issues, its something completely different for the players to have to explain that to their creditors. I know of many people that had to sacrifice financially to make the trip to Reno and the trip to Las Vegas. In some cases their families endured the same sacrifices. The players just want the truth, not some empty announcement.
 
straybullet said:
I have never in any of my posts pretended or insinuated that I know what is going on. I have disputed the excuses and used my dog toy analogy that you said "insulted" the players. Since posting that twice, I have communicated with several IPT players in person and through this forum and none of them have displayed or communicated any hard feelings. A lot of IPT players live in my area, including Mike Sigel, Charlie Williams, Miyuki Sakai, Wayne Catledge, Sarah Ellerby, etc, and a lot more live in Tampa/St. Pete. None of these players have been paid. All of them are worried to some extent, but remain hopeful. The problem now lies with the faith that the players will have in the IPT. That is an unavoidable issue. Its one thing to tell the players to be patient about the pay issues, its something completely different for the players to have to explain that to their creditors. I know of many people that had to sacrifice financially to make the trip to Reno and the trip to Las Vegas. In some cases their families endured the same sacrifices. The players just want the truth, not some empty announcement.
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There, we agree on another thing.
It's terrible that the players have not been paid yet.
Do you really believe Mike Segal is worried about getting paid??
You know this how????
 
jasper said:
There, we agree on another thing.
It's terrible that the players have not been paid yet.
Do you really believe Mike Segal is worried about getting paid??
You know this how????
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I doubt that he is worried. I said he was one of the players that lives in the Orlando area.
 
jasper said:
huh????????????????
If I tell my wife I'm going to pick her up from work and don't make it because
I got a flat tire, does that mean I lied to her???
Thats my point.
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No it sure doesn't. It meanst that you aren't getting any that evening.



supper, that is.
 
jasper said:
Yes, that would be lying.
It all comes down weather a person thinks he was lying or not.
All I am saying, is that there is no proof he was lying.
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Good.Now we're getting somewhere.In return I can tell you that those of us who are following your logic pretty well and giving it serious consideration would agree that there is indeed as yet no firm proof that KT was lying when he told the players that they would be paid on the Sunday of the event.

The above being understood,moving on,would you agree that there is irrefutable existing evidence that one or more persons in the employ of IPT subsequently lied more than once regarding the status of cheque books/cheques/fedex deliveries/mailing of cheques?

Assuming your answer has to be 'Yes' as you are clearly no fool,it automatically follows that you accept the reality that these people lied in the certain knowledge that their lies would later be exposed as such or that they unwittingly lied as a result of KT himself giving them information to pass on to players that he knew to be untruthful and that he knew would inevitably be exposed later as lies.Is that not so?

Stay with me now,cos I know this is a bit long......given the aforementioned circumstances why do you find it so hard to believe that KT might have also knowingly and premeditatively lied originally about the intention to pay on the Sunday? You have previously posted that the principle reason you believe so is because it would have been stupid to lie knowing it would be exposed and that he is no fool therefore it isn't credible that he did that. The subsequent lies about the cheques would be classed as being equally stupid in exactly the same sense but that didn't stop those lies being issued in the certain knowledge they would later be exposed as such.

Therefore the underlying thrust of neither your argument nor your logic stands up very well to scrutiny.
 
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memikey said:
Good.Now we're getting somewhere.In return I can tell you blah, blah, bs, kdjfkd ksdjgfd sdkfjdsjuiej;lgfn weirthjsdhtgg blah blah, bullshoot
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A. You are trying to rationalize an irrational situation
B. There is insufficient data to draw conclusions
C. There are no known reliable data points
D. Actions, as usual, speak louder than words
E. Whether it was lie at the time, or it was merely misinformation, there has been no concrete evidence provided by any party that the IPT intended on paying the players on Sunday, or even the week following the Reno Tourny
F. Since payments have still not been disbursed, after 35 days, the only logical conclusion is that the info provided in Reno was disinformation
 
VonRhett said:
A. You are trying to rationalize an irrational situation
B. There is insufficient data to draw conclusions
C. There are no known reliable data points
D. Actions, as usual, speak louder than words
E. Whether it was lie at the time, or it was merely misinformation, there has been no concrete evidence provided by any party that the IPT intended on paying the players on Sunday, or even the week following the Reno Tourny
F. Since payments have still not been disbursed, after 35 days, the only logical conclusion is that the info provided in Reno was disinformation
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Oi ! Grumpy ! Don't moan at me.In case you were too busy grumping to read I'm basically agreeing with you:) ;)

Jasper has instigated a little logic test,I'm answering his points that's all,what you getting excited about?:rolleyes: :D
 
Oh crap! SORRY!!

I read your post in the wrong context!! SORRY!! SORRY!!

There was static on the line so I didn't hear the voice inflections!

My bad!
-von

memikey said:
Oi ! Grumpy ! Don't moan at me.In case you were too busy grumping to read I'm basically agreeing with you:) ;)

Jasper has instigated a little logic test,I'm answering his points that's all,what you getting excited about?:rolleyes: :D
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VonRhett said:
Oh crap! SORRY!!

I read your post in the wrong context!! SORRY!! SORRY!!

There was static on the line so I didn't hear the voice inflections!

My bad!
-von
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:D No probs.I guessed as much,hence the smileys.

You need to get KT's new "Inhibitor Bracelet",fashioned out of natural bones from free range ostriches who all agreed to be cut up and made into bracelets......$99.95...... money back guaranteed if you ever feel inhibited by static again:)
 
memikey said:
Good.Now we're getting somewhere.In return I can tell you that those of us who are following your logic pretty well and giving it serious consideration would agree that there is indeed as yet no firm proof that KT was lying when he told the players that they would be paid on the Sunday of the event.

The above being understood,moving on,would you agree that there is irrefutable existing evidence that one or more persons in the employ of IPT subsequently lied more than once regarding the status of cheque books/cheques/fedex deliveries/mailing of cheques?

Assuming your answer has to be 'Yes' as you are clearly no fool,it automatically follows that you accept the reality that these people lied in the certain knowledge that their lies would later be exposed as such or that they unwittingly lied as a result of KT himself giving them information to pass on to players that he knew to be untruthful and that he knew would inevitably be exposed later as lies.Is that not so?

Stay with me now,cos I know this is a bit long......given the aforementioned circumstances why do you find it so hard to believe that KT might have also knowingly and premeditatively lied originally about the intention to pay on the Sunday? You have previously posted that the principle reason you believe so is because it would have been stupid to lie knowing it would be exposed and that he is no fool therefore it isn't credible that he did that. The subsequent lies about the cheques would be classed as being equally stupid in exactly the same sense but that didn't stop those lies being issued in the certain knowledge they would later be exposed as such.

Therefore the underlying thrust of neither your argument nor your logic stands up very well to scrutiny.
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Good points regarding the excuses given for the checks not being ready on Sunday. The fact is, we don't know exactly know what was said and by whom.
It could be that there were 4 or 5 IPT employees wondering amongst themselves where the checks were. One says "maybe someone at the Chicago office forgot to mark Saturday delivery on the fedex form"
Then one of the staff relays this to one of the players......the player says to another player "the checks aren't here because someone at the head office forgot to check the Saturday delivery on the fedex form"
Notice the word "maybe" gets lost some how (unintentionally of course)
The next thing you know............. this is the reason that is spread.
Now I'm not saying that this is actually what happened. Just pointing out things like this can happen. I try not to jump to conclusions and call people liers without all the facts.
 
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