What would cause 3 rails to be 2/16 low?

imagemker

imagemker

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I bought a GCII several years ago, and bought new superspeeds for it then had the table entirely redone by a well known Southern Cal Mechanic. however, ever since the recover both the head and foot rails hop (too low) and one of the side rails ( RH Head) after measuring all rails it turns out these 3 are 1 5/16 at the nose. Now I played on this table in the pool room it was in before I purchased it (Golden 8 ball in Phx) then in the previous owners home and it was not always like this. I have solved the problem temporarily, ( you will laugh but it works, I glued 2 nickels together (1/16 a piece and placed them under each diamond) :wink: but would like to know if I need to redo the rubber and all the felt again.(in10spool and cuephoric are close by) Or if there is something else that anyone might suggest. I would hate to start all over and have the same problem again.
Sorry for the long post and thank you all for you time and input.


Thanks
Michael
 
cushions low on 3 rails

I know how frustrating this can be, have you started using draw off the rails when playing position to keep the cue ball from hopping?

It would not surprise me if the guy who put on new cushions trimmed the subrail angle with a table saw. Not that it doesn't work, but if the bottom or extrusion of the rail isn't perfect you will have an uneven cut. Also, there is a possibility that the cushion is defective and the radius is curling under. There is such a thing as knockoff SuperSpeed's which are just plain junk. If you are serious about getting this fixed, I am sure there is someone qualified on here in your area. Feel free to document the problem with pictures and exact measurements. Good luck
Rob

imagemker said:
I bought a GCII several years ago, and bought new superspeeds for it then had the table entirely redone by a well known Southern Cal Mechanic. however, ever since the recover both the head and foot rails hop (too low) and one of the side rails ( RH Head) after measuring all rails it turns out these 3 are 1 5/16 at the nose. Now I played on this table in the pool room it was in before I purchased it (Golden 8 ball in Phx) then in the previous owners home and it was not always like this. I have solved the problem temporarily, ( you will laugh but it works, I glued 2 nickels together (1/16 a piece and placed them under each diamond) :wink: but would like to know if I need to redo the rubber and all the felt again.(in10spool and cuephoric are close by) Or if there is something else that anyone might suggest. I would hate to start all over and have the same problem again.
Sorry for the long post and thank you all for you time and input.


Thanks
Michael
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Contact SDbilliards on here.

He is in your area and one of the best on the west coast. He can fix them.
 
imagemker said:
I bought a GCII several years ago, and bought new superspeeds for it then had the table entirely redone by a well known Southern Cal Mechanic. however, ever since the recover both the head and foot rails hop (too low) and one of the side rails ( RH Head) after measuring all rails it turns out these 3 are 1 5/16 at the nose. Now I played on this table in the pool room it was in before I purchased it (Golden 8 ball in Phx) then in the previous owners home and it was not always like this. I have solved the problem temporarily, ( you will laugh but it works, I glued 2 nickels together (1/16 a piece and placed them under each diamond) :wink: but would like to know if I need to redo the rubber and all the felt again.(in10spool and cuephoric are close by) Or if there is something else that anyone might suggest. I would hate to start all over and have the same problem again.
Sorry for the long post and thank you all for you time and input.


Thanks
Michael
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You're fixing to recover right?
Once the cloth is off the rails you should be able to determine the problem.
Check that all 6 cushions are superspeeds and mounted top side up as well as the glue bond.
 
I'll be out there (Cali)around Feb 15 for a few days, so if you want I can drive up to Reno and take a look at things.
Donnie is only about 8-9 hours drive from Reno but he covers a good amount of territory,too....
I'm sure one of us can handle whatever you need, but I won't be able to leave Texas to head back out there until then.

I'm fairly certain who you got to do the rails, but I think that was around 2-3 years or so again that you got the table work done,wasn't it?
I think it's been that long since we were at Hardtimes, but not sure, but it seems about right...lol
At any rate, give me a call and we'll get you on the right path to getting this fixed, sounds like you're overdue! :wink:

817.471.0764

Shane
 
imagemker said:
I bought a GCII several years ago, and bought new superspeeds for it then had the table entirely redone by a well known Southern Cal Mechanic. however, ever since the recover both the head and foot rails hop (too low) and one of the side rails ( RH Head) after measuring all rails it turns out these 3 are 1 5/16 at the nose. Now I played on this table in the pool room it was in before I purchased it (Golden 8 ball in Phx) then in the previous owners home and it was not always like this. I have solved the problem temporarily, ( you will laugh but it works, I glued 2 nickels together (1/16 a piece and placed them under each diamond) :wink: but would like to know if I need to redo the rubber and all the felt again.(in10spool and cuephoric are close by) Or if there is something else that anyone might suggest. I would hate to start all over and have the same problem again.
Sorry for the long post and thank you all for you time and input.


Thanks
Michael
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I'm not sure if I'm considered well known, but this isn't me.
 
Nope Donny, not you. :) someone old school but still currently working. its funny I love all the equipment he has done except mine. :confused:

thanks for the input guys.

Michael
 
LOL......Interesting...I have a GC II (from the Golden 8-Ball) and most of the cushion noses came out too high....

I have a similar temporay (mess) of a fix going on to lower some of the nose heights so that they are all the right height..I had to raise just that back of some rails to make all the nose hieghts as close to the same as possible.

Problem is..that throws other stuff out of whack...like how the pocket castings align and how the apron aligns in the corner....It looks pretty bad...but it is at least playable.

I am getting close to having someone that knows what they are doing re-do the cushions the right way and getting it set up correctly.
 
BRKNRUN said:
LOL......Interesting...I have a GC II (from the Golden 8-Ball) and most of the cushion noses came out too high....

I have a similar temporay (mess) of a fix going on to lower some of the nose heights so that they are all the right height..I had to raise just that back of some rails to make all the nose hieghts as close to the same as possible.

Problem is..that throws other stuff out of whack...like how the pocket castings align and how the apron aligns in the corner....It looks pretty bad...but it is at least playable.

I am getting close to having someone that knows what they are doing re-do the cushions the right way and getting it set up correctly.
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As mentioned to Mike, until you get the cloth of the rails it's pretty much a guess.
Cushions either mounted to high, wrong profile or possibly right profile installed upside down.
A problem regardless but not anything that can't be fixed.
 
check height of nose

from what i am hearing nose of cushion is out of line you are right
1 5/16 is to low ball will hop . look at other rails see if there ia a differance
nose to low will cause ball hop , to high will kill roll. most that i have
measured is 1 7/16 to 1 1/2. i think 1 7/16 is best .good luck
john107 : anderson sc
 
low cushion

gold crown is not hard to get the rail to raise....loosen rail and blind bolts and slide a piece of paper under it every foot or so. make sure to add on both side of bolt...
u can use note book paper to raise small amounts and card stock to raise more..then tighten rail bolts to see if u need more or less paper..dont leave paper visible tho...simple after u do a few.....as for a rail to high there is a few things that can cause it...excess cloth under the rail, piles of glue under the rail from recovering the bed cloth a lot," its a good idea not to glue the top surface around the perimeter of the slate because of build up".. or improper installation of cushion...
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Rob.M
 
Wow

Again, Wow. If I saw someone shimming under a rail on my table there is no way I wouldn't be breaking out the camera and sending pics to every mechanic I know. Not to be too critical because there are several non-mechanics on here that post, and I don't know who you are so I have to give the benefit of the doubt.

On a positive note, at least you seem against using change for "rail shimming".

If the owner wants to fix the table, I would recommend listening to Dartman and tear that cloth off asap.

Just my 2 cents...
Rob

dontlitethat said:
gold crown is not hard to get the rail to raise....loosen rail and blind bolts and slide a piece of paper under it every foot or so. make sure to add on both side of bolt...
u can use note book paper to raise small amounts and card stock to raise more..then tighten rail bolts to see if u need more or less paper..dont leave paper visible tho...simple after u do a few.....as for a rail to high there is a few things that can cause it...excess cloth under the rail, piles of glue under the rail from recovering the bed cloth a lot," its a good idea not to glue the top surface around the perimeter of the slate because of build up".. or improper installation of cushion...
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Rob.M
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whaaa

if i was to remove the cushion and install a new one to the correct height or i shimmed rail up u wouldn't be able to tell the difference when i was done from one to the other.. paper thickness difference and about $300.00
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Robert molina...
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TableTek said:
Again, Wow. If I saw someone shimming under a rail on my table there is no way I wouldn't be breaking out the camera and sending pics to every mechanic I know. Not to be too critical because there are several non-mechanics on here that post, and I don't know who you are so I have to give the benefit of the doubt.

On a positive note, at least you seem against using change for "rail shimming".

If the owner wants to fix the table, I would recommend listening to Dartman and tear that cloth off asap.

Just my 2 cents...
Rob
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Wow continued...

Do you ever get called back to recover again? Not being smart, it is only a temporary fix. And just to give you a little more information, when you raise the rail height it will make the table play short despite finally having a correct nose height. $300 and it is correct, or 2 wasted hours and you have another hacked table. Quality work is not cheap, and time wasted is money lost.
Rob Kay

dontlitethat said:
if i was to remove the cushion and install a new one to the correct height or i shimmed rail up u wouldn't be able to tell the difference when i was done from one to the other.. paper thickness difference and about $300.00
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Table Tek, (On a positive note, at least you seem against using change for "rail shimming")

As mentioned in the original post, the coins were a temporary fix to determine if raising the rails solved the problem. I want the table to play right and have new felt on the way from Dartman. I am just putting this table back up after 2 years in storage, (this problem was there when the table came down) and wanted to put it back together and solve the problem before the new felt etc... arrived so that I would not recover or change the rubber and still have the same problem. I am not a table mechanic and do not claim to be, I intend to have it done right regardless of the cost and simply wanted some input, to those of you who gave me some constructive input. THANK YOU! If my questions offended anyone's professional sensibilities, I apologize.

Imagemker
 
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TableTek said:
Do you ever get called back to recover again? Not being smart, it is only a temporary fix. And just to give you a little more information, when you raise the rail height it will make the table play short despite finally having a correct nose height. $300 and it is correct, or 2 wasted hours and you have another hacked table. Quality work is not cheap, and time wasted is money lost.
Rob Kay
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i believe rob kay miss understands what im talking......
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Rob.M
 
Perhaps I am misunderstanding?

I will admit, the earlier posts were sorta firing me up a little. If I am misunderstanding something, just dumb it down a little as I will hopefully catch up soon.

If 3 out of 6 rails are 0.125" low this isn't a quick fix problem (assuming the top is assy'd correctly). Yes, putting paper under the rail will raise it a little (about 0.005" for legal pad, 0.008" for index cards and 0.010" for a poker card). Now is the question of why you are going spend any time to raise the cushions just enough for playability vs just telling it how it is and fixing the job. Believe me, I have seen much worse in the field as have most mechanics I know. The part that gets me is that collectively we are here to gain knowledge and expand out role in the industry, not shortcut. People contact me all the time with crazy ideas, below are a few recent award winners.

Can you convert a 9ft GoldCrown to coin-op?
Can you put adjustable casters on my Connelly so I can wheel it against the wall when not in use?
Can you install 1" slate on my particle board Minnesota Fats table?
Can you make the shelf deeper on my slate?


Sometimes I just want to get a lobotomy, seriously.
Rob
 
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