what would u pay? (WITH poll this time, sorry)

[Solartje]

what would u pay? oppinions wanted
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Hi all,

i've finished the design of my scorecounter, and as it might be usefull for me to make some extra counters that i could sell to win some extra $, i was wondering what you would pay for this counter.

Total size: 28" wide 30" high

counters:
8ball & 9-ball: two rods with 15 real poolballs each (smaller lighter version, for easyer gliding and reducing total weight of the counter)
14-1: two rods with beads with each 5th point in a different colour and each 10th point with a hanger (aka 10, 20, etc till 50)

extra's:
chalkboard: 26" wide 4" high.
replaceble white chalkstick to draw on the chalkboard hanging on a rope
can be used to keep track of extra stats:
- scratches, innings needed, balls / ining, drawings to explain a shot ,odss, bets, high scores, etc..


hooks: one hooks on each sides to hang a 8-ball and a 9-ball rack

wood:
The wood would be high quality oak, jet black stained but showing all the oak grains and finished with a waterbased finish.


The scorekeeper can be fitted to a sealing, or it can be hang against a wall (without the poolballs touching the wall, to prefent markings when sliding the poolballs)


i know most scorekeepers go for 300$+ wich i would NEVER pay for a counter, thats why im making my own to fit my table. but i thought others might be interested in it, so before i start making some prototypes to sell, i wanted to check out what YOU would pay for this scorecounter and see if there is a profitmargin, or if its to much work for not much profit.

i think it will take around 4 hours to make it, and 1 day for the finishing. so i have to deduct that from the profit.


EDIT:

added new idea after coments, picture included : scroll down to my last post on this page.

 

[Solartje]

ps:

would u prefere a normal timber wood and save 35$?
or do you think oak is the way to go?

as i have 40$ in oak in this counter, i could get the cost down by using other cheaper wood, with same stain and finish

 

[asbani]

i put 0-25$ but I'm not going to pay for 25$ to be honest, maybe some little fee like 2-5$, something like that

 

[9ballrun]

any pictures?

 

[Solartje]

i put 0-25$ but I'm not going to pay for 25$ to be honest, maybe some little fee like 2-5$, something like that

did you check how much 2 full sets of poolballs cost?

no further comments, i'll wait for some serious reply's...

not yet, just finished the design, and ill be ordering all the material next week to build the first version. but i made this quickly, to give an idea...

add the hanging chalk and the 2 hooks on the side.

 

[cubc]

Need pics...

 

[Solartje]

pics added

 

[curly]

Very nice design! I see that you put alot of thought into this. I like using the bead type for scoring 14.1 for sure compared to the "wheels" on the table.
Curly

 

[9ballrun]

look like a good set up. I think it would look better if it was stained instead of painted. Just a thought

 

[dimes33]

i couldnt say what i would pay without some actual pictures

 

[catscradle]

I selected 0-25 $, but I think, in terms of effort to create it, it is worth than that. It just isn't worth more than that to me, I'm a simple creature satisfied with 2 hooks, a wire, and a bunch of beads.

 

[Bob Jewett]

With the width given, I think it needs to be fairly close to the player when he moves the beads, and that means it will be difficult to hang from the cieling. In the pool hall where I usually play, there are sets of beads (50 for each player, just as you show) that are strung over the light fixtures. They're pretty long, and if they were smaller, I think they would also have to be closer to the player when he was adjusting them. If they are at eye height, they can't be near the table, and really need to be against a wall.

 

[Solartje]

With the width given, I think it needs to be fairly close to the player when he moves the beads, and that means it will be difficult to hang from the cieling. In the pool hall where I usually play, there are sets of beads (50 for each player, just as you show) that are strung over the light fixtures. They're pretty long, and if they were smaller, I think they would also have to be closer to the player when he was adjusting them. If they are at eye height, they can't be near the table, and really need to be against a wall.

mmm some good thoughts bob,

the beads are 1" big. i think its big, but you might be right that it could be hard to move them if hang to high.

anyway you have the option to hang it against the wall. guess its up to what you prefere.

first i had the idea of incorporating it into my lights, but then i thought... the light already weights 40 pounds... you dont want THAT to come off, by touching the score..

anyway, ill build one soon and ill make sure to post pictures.

ps the oak is stained not painted (sorry for my all these words mean the same im not native english)

here is what i did with the oak from my 9ft diamond, and it looks nice, so i'm just going to use the same proces for this scoreboard to fit my oak diamond.


any more problems or idea's of things i could add/change to improve it are welcome.

thx for all those who have voted. gives me a good idea about what the market is willing to pay. i dont think i'll be making much money from these, ive got already 100$ in material, add the time to make it, and the price the market is willing to pay, i think i'll barely breake even..

ps: could u answer my question also on, changing the wood?
changing from oak to normal timber will reduce the cost by 35$.. but then i'd rather pay 35$ more for my counter and have it in oak. but maybe most of the poeple wouldnt.

 

[Solartje]

mmm got a new idea....


how about extending the highest and the lowest horizontal wood beam, so that it could hold 3 cue's on each side, when used against a wall?

just cut 3 holes in the highest beam, and make a deeper part in the lower beam. wouldn't make the total cost any higher, and could be usefull...


How about adding a powder thingy? that overkill?

or a extra horizontal beam to put stuff in (tippick, chalk, buffer, anything you have laying around in your house..)?


just some idea's that i would like to have. what ya all think?


something like this? (sorry for the bad quality, but i dont have autocad and 3ds installed on this pc.)

 

[Fatboy]

looks good

 

[Solartje]

rechanged it

think this is more practicle... each has his chalkboard, and you dont have to sit on your kneeds to write something down.

 

[selftaut]

Looks nice so far. I would not use pool balls and ruduce some cost there, go to a local artist shop or online and find some kind of other lightwieght balls much cheaper. Couple more ideas, have something on there to hold namecards for spectators at tournaments, some kind of clips or something. You could also price them in oak or pine giving the choice. I think you could reasonably price these at $150.

 

[Cuedog]

Here is the solution to the hanging them from the ceiling problem. They can easily go on a wall as well. These are the ones I had in my room for years. I just closed in January.

By the way, don't sell Solartje short. His idea is a good one and the cost to him is more than you think. I know from my own experience when I designed and created these.

Click on the Pics to enlarge



If Solartje has any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Gene

 

[Solartje]

Looks nice so far. I would not use pool balls and ruduce some cost there, go to a local artist shop or online and find some kind of other lightwieght balls much cheaper. Couple more ideas, have something on there to hold namecards for spectators at tournaments, some kind of clips or something. You could also price them in oak or pine giving the choice. I think you could reasonably price these at $150.

ok, thanks alot for the contribution.

the balls indeed are expensive...
but the colours are so recognisable that you can see from far how much it is.
maybe i can make a cheap version (no oak, no real balls) and a elite version with real balls and oak like u said. thats a good idea

even at 2$ for a ball: 30 balls = 60$
oak 60$ (the first version was around 40$, this one is bigger)
beads: 20$
add all the paint, finish, hooks, bolds, metal rods, etc... add another 20$

thats already 160$ add the chalkboards, add the worktime... u get the picture. without profit i'd have to sell them at 250$ at least

mmm

at 1$ for a ball: 30$
pine: 10$
beads: 20$
paint etc: 20$
chalkboard: 40$(?) (anyone ever used chalkpaint? thats only 5$)
worktime: 60$

thats 180 there


All above 150 :s
hard to make it good and cheap... but i believe in the design. it is something that is missing on the market.

 

[Solartje]

Here is the solution to the hanging them from the ceiling problem. They can easily go on a wall as well. These are the ones I had in my room for years. I just closed in January.

By the way, don't sell Solartje short. His idea is a good one and the cost to him is more than you think. I know from my own experience when I designed and created these.

Click on the Pics to enlarge



If Solartje has any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Gene

funny u post this cuedog !
like i said, i couldnt find any scorecounter on the net that had what i wanted, the only one where those of you, but they where all sold by the time i read the post. thats when i came up with this idea.

and you are right. im posting all the costs etc here, so you know exactly what it costs. its expensive but it would last a lifetime and look GREATH in my (or someone elses) room.

thx for the nice words cuedog

ps i'm sorry you had to close your place. never a happy moment.