What's Good About A Good Stroke?
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Quite right, other wise Busty would have no stroke as he starts off a foot from the CB
Busty and other players have tip at pause far from CB so they have the elbow move all the way in at pause (almost touch chess) in forward warm up, and about 120 degrees at the backward warm up; this does two good things. One you actually doing a warm up to your forward stroke, and backward stroke and 2nd good thing it provides additional power with minimal cue movement
Only draw back is getting tip to contact cb where needed, with practice it is no problem eventually.
Of course the wrist(s) cock during a golf swing (except for some short shots where the player purposefully tries to take the wrist out of it). The lever arm has nothing to do with the wrist cock. I wouldn't consider what the wrist does in a pool stroke as cocking but more as flexing.
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Have a look at young Luca Brecel is this clip, http://youtu.be/7BzpXX_9kSg
Very long back stroke, very little elbow drop but creates lots of cue speed, similar to John Higgins, also to address a point that CJ mentioned earlier about lifting at the end of the stroke, Higgins is unreal in this dept. on full on power shots his head and upper body nare moves but keeps the cue flat, I wish
Thanks for noticing, It was a conscious effort to not do a "Neal Robertson" and stick the cue in the light
I think I was trying to make a point about the open hand bridge as well :wink:
Have a look at young Luca Brecel is this clip, http://youtu.be/7BzpXX_9kSg
Very long back stroke, very little elbow drop but creates lots of cue speed, similar to John Higgins, also to address a point that CJ mentioned earlier about lifting at the end of the stroke, Higgins is unreal in this dept. on full on power shots his head and upper body nare moves but keeps the cue flat, I wish
Slash,
Interestingly, he did drop the elbow about 1/2 dozen times depending on the shot & stance 'restriction'. Although, not severely.
Best,
Do you think it's a tendency on slower shots? maybe to compensate?
Have a look at young Luca Brecel is this clip, http://youtu.be/7BzpXX_9kSg
Very long back stroke, very little elbow drop but creates lots of cue speed, similar to John Higgins, also to address a point that CJ mentioned earlier about lifting at the end of the stroke, Higgins is unreal in this dept. on full on power shots his head and upper body nare moves but keeps the cue flat, I wish
Great stroke he has. I am always fan of snooker players way of stance, and stroke. Every player have his own way, bottom line what i said before is stroke is either follow through or poke no mater what style player use. See Dennis O here, his tip at pause is close to CB and elbow is greater than 90 degree, and follow through no elbow drop for soft, he drops elbow for hard shots.
With accurate aim, and sloppy stroke balls can go, but with bad aim and good stroke balls will not go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCE83WV8ato
So you've never tried cocking your wrist in pool? It's a good thing to "discover". :wink: You can see the wrist cock in this match.
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Slasher, I'll have to watch it again. I did not notice a tedancy the first time. Who knows what one is thinking. I don't think, 'let my elbow drop on this shot'. Sometimes the end justifies the means. I'll watch it again.
Regards,
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Well here's the thing, it's hard for a player to say I do this or that, simply because they don't know what they do. I did not know I was lifting till I did a video analysis. Sometimes they think they do things a certain way but in reality they don't. This is where I believe some of the misconceptions come from.
Jeez I just reread what I wrote, does it make sense
Jeez I just reread what I wrote, does it make sense
Unfortunately, most of the shots in the video don't provide a view of your hand. Regardless, whether you cock your wrist or not is irrelevant to my game. I'm trying to develop the simplest, fundamentally, pure, repeatable and consistent strokes possible ... FOR ME.
I absolutely believe 95% plus of the shots necessary to be a VERY excellent pool player can be achieved with that type of stroke (assuming the rest of the overall pool game is on par). You're one of the best pool players to ever hold a cue, I don't have aspirations or delusions of grandeur of competing with you. I simply want to be as good as I can be given my age and time I have to dedicate to the game. Were I 35 years younger, not married and willing to take a huge cut in income, I would consider dedicating myself to the task of becoming a top professional. Even then, I'd rate my chances somewhere between 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 10,000. Even that may be optimistic. All I want to do is become one of the better players at the local level. If I somehow manage that success, I'll rethink my goals at that time. In the meantime, I'm just going to enjoy the heck out of pool and enjoy the great life I've been blessed with.
I guess that means you've never cocked your wrist.
Have a look at young Luca Brecel is this clip, http://youtu.be/7BzpXX_9kSg
Very long back stroke, very little elbow drop but creates lots of cue speed, similar to John Higgins, also to address a point that CJ mentioned earlier about lifting at the end of the stroke, Higgins is unreal in this dept. on full on power shots his head and upper body nare moves but keeps the cue flat, I wish
Interesting. Very smooth stroke, and plenty of power. But, is this not using the wrist?
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Sloppy,
Great visual. That is also keeping the cue more on plane & similiar to a piston with almost no elbow drop, if any.
Regards,
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You could almost draw a straight line from his elbow through the center of his hand except in the last frame, well after the CB is gone. On his very long backswing he is opening the last 3 fingers.
Slasher,
That's one(1) of my grips I was telling you about but I start out with them off the cue.
Regards,
you're missing out on a tremendous power source
That's an excellent example as well, and yes, he's generating a great motion with his wrist. Just like in other sports you can use no wrist if you choose, and you're missing out on a tremendous source of control, power and touch.
That's an excellent example as well, and yes, he's generating a great motion with his wrist. Just like in other sports you can use no wrist if you choose, and you're missing out on a tremendous source of control, power and touch.
Agreed. It's the same in almost all sporting activities requiring any hand eye coordination. The list is long, so I won't list them.
I'm sure I've cocked my wrist many times inadvertently and likely tightened my grip at the same time. Unfortunately, I'm equally sure I missed the majority of those shots. I do occasionally, for fine touch safety play, employ a shot where I execute the shot with wrist action only. Aside from that, I'd be quite happy if not ecstatic were I to be able to execute every pool shot I take for the remainder of my life with nothing more than the wrist naturally flexing. Perhaps you should spend a few chapters in your next DVD covering wrist cock.