That's the biggest hunk of garbage Iv ever heard , the fact is some cues on the high end collector quality they want the price to be discreet
Other cues not in that category people are looking for a deal like anything else
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What's happening to AZ?
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That's the biggest hunk of garbage Iv ever heard , the fact is some cues on the high end collector quality they want the price to be discreet
Other cues not in that category people are looking for a deal like anything else
Sales and buying 101
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I liked the old format much, much better.
With very high end cues I can understand the lack of pricing but not the lack of pictures.
I periodically check the section and there must be a lot of PM'ing going on as there are so many cues offered that elicit 0 responses.
With very high end cues I can understand the lack of pricing but not the lack of pictures.
I periodically check the section and there must be a lot of PM'ing going on as there are so many cues offered that elicit 0 responses.
You sound like disgruntled buyer. Had some fish get away from ya have ya... Thought so.. If you spent half the energy you do complaining about with a little more inquiry, you MIGHT just be able to real a few nice ones in.... Then again you you must have everything you need since you're obviously a "graduate" oh sales school.. LoL..
A couple of minutes still remaining 'til Christmas ends out here on the west coast.......so Merry Christmas everyone.
Personally, I think a price should be included in every sale thread. I have no problem with others knowing what I paid to get a cue.
If anyone inquires what my cue are worth, I just tell them what the cue cost me rounded to the next highest hundred dollars amount.
So in a manner of speaking I am exaggerating my cue's value by a couple of dollars. I have no reason to be secretive about "cue values".
It always comes down to what someone else is willing to pay for your cue that truly determines the cue's value.......right?
Say you have a cue you paid 4k & the cue-maker is now deceased, so the cue value could be higher than what you paid.
However, unless someone right now today, or say within 3 mths. selling effort, comes along & buys your cue, then it isn't.
Okay, not long enuf, then use 6 mths......my point is your cue is worth only as much as someone else is willing to pay for it.
So I dunno how much one of my cues is worth & only thing I know is what I paid for my cue & only the market can confirm value.
Maybe that's why there are so many price drops on AZ FS threads. Sellers know what they want but the market doesn't agree.
So I think all sale threads should include a price & detailed description at the minimum but FS ads with pics usually get 1st look.
Matt B.
Personally, I think a price should be included in every sale thread. I have no problem with others knowing what I paid to get a cue.
If anyone inquires what my cue are worth, I just tell them what the cue cost me rounded to the next highest hundred dollars amount.
So in a manner of speaking I am exaggerating my cue's value by a couple of dollars. I have no reason to be secretive about "cue values".
It always comes down to what someone else is willing to pay for your cue that truly determines the cue's value.......right?
Say you have a cue you paid 4k & the cue-maker is now deceased, so the cue value could be higher than what you paid.
However, unless someone right now today, or say within 3 mths. selling effort, comes along & buys your cue, then it isn't.
Okay, not long enuf, then use 6 mths......my point is your cue is worth only as much as someone else is willing to pay for it.
So I dunno how much one of my cues is worth & only thing I know is what I paid for my cue & only the market can confirm value.
Maybe that's why there are so many price drops on AZ FS threads. Sellers know what they want but the market doesn't agree.
So I think all sale threads should include a price & detailed description at the minimum but FS ads with pics usually get 1st look.
Matt B.
You sound like disgruntled buyer. Had some fish get away from ya have ya... Thought so.. If you spent half the energy you do complaining about with a little more inquiry, you MIGHT just be able to real a few nice ones in.... Then again you you must have everything you need since you're obviously a "graduate" oh sales school.. LoL..
Well with your whopping 8 ITrader points in over a decade your obviously a expert on sales here on AZB coupled with your stunning knoledge of how the top cue makers cut in thier razor sharp points I don't know how anyone could not take you seriously
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Well with your whopping 8 ITrader points in over a decade your obviously a expert on sales here on AZB coupled with your stunning knoledge of how the top cue makers cut in thier razor sharp points I don't know how anyone could not take you seriously
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It's like the pot calling...well you know... YOU, with ONLY 5 itrader (in MORE than half the time I've been here) with a combined total of 332 from others you've dealt with.. Just too funnyAt least my 8 were from a combined 1228!! Looks like I'm dealing with a little more SALE KNOWLEDGEABLE crowd than YOU at least LOL!!!
Oh yeah.. some advice as far as my "stunning knowledge" on cue makers, If you're going to make ANY statements about someone else regarding, commenting, sharing, debunking ANYTHING they may say about cues, I suggest you do a little research before hand to find out who your responding to/about. Makes you look like a neophyte.. Well actually I already knew that and now many others as well.....
Geez Louise....Other peoples children
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I won't buy a cue I have to call on, don't really like talking on the phone with people I don't know or giving my number to those I don't know. If it can't be done in email or a pm, then probably won't happen.
That's ok...I try to eliminate any and all chances of being tire kicked and scammed. Talking over the phone I get a better sense of the buyer/seller plus if they're REALLY interested I would think they should have no problem talking over the phone... I don't do a lot of personal buying and selling through AZ but all that I have done have been deals made through voice conversations as well as all others outside the net...
Looks like we will never do any transactions together and I'm ok with that.
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At least my 8 were from a combined 1228!! Looks like I'm dealing with a little more SALE KNOWLEDGEABLE crowd than YOU at least LOL!!!
Oh yeah.. some advice as far as my "stunning knowledge" on cue makers, If you're going to make ANY statements about someone else regarding, commenting, sharing, debunking ANYTHING they may say about cues, I suggest you do a little research before hand to find out who your responding to/about. Makes you look like a neophyte.. Well actually I already knew that and now many others as well.....
Geez Louise....Other peoples children
Iv done all the research that I need ,, if I need to buy a cue that I don't want anybody seeing the price and or one with rounded points
I know excatly who to call
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I admit, I too prefer to chat with my potential buyers, not just for cues but for all sales. If i don't like the person I'm dealing with, I won't sell to them. Plain and simple. I'm not in the position that I need every sale. Some simple human decancy and a little respect goes a long way though. Low ballers and tire kickers are expected, particularly in the age of internet sales. Most pool players are hustlers in some regard and won't spend a dime on quality equipment, unless they can get a 2k cue for $200. PhilDade hit the nail on the head, the best sales are when both parties are happy. Regardless, there was once common decency on AZ, good photos, full specs, honesty and integrity was the norm here. Some still have it and if you've been around long enough, we all know who is kosher and who isnt. I'm not sure what happened, somehow a handful of handful of posters started posting every 5 plus cues at a time flooding the forum with their entire stock of cues for sale. I've been nickel and dimed by some of the bigger buyers and sellers, just to have the same cue posted back up less than a week later for at least 35% more than my selling price. Sometimes I forget what I got out of corporate sales, but then I get on AZ and see the same douche bag sh*t that pissed me off in the real world only to have it follow into a forum that I once respected. AZ is great for research, but the niggling and asinine rudeness I think has turned a fair amount of folks away. All good things must come to an end, and AZ has died. What it is now is a mere shadow of its former glory.
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I hope nobody relies on you for your "research"... Here's some tidbits you missed... All from the "rounded point guy". Your diggin' a deeper hole for yourself...
I hope nobody relies on you for your "research"... Here's some tidbits you missed... All from the "rounded point guy". Your diggin' a deeper hole for yourself...
So, I guess those are "knived" in LMAO!!! Otherwise they'd be round right? You just proved yourself wrong.
Nice cues Btw!
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Or filled with epoxy but I'm glad he posted these because I have another pet peeve
I can't stand points veneered or not that don't touch going under the wrap or have a ring that the point stops on I hate
Another thing is if I'm going to buy another points cue that's not full splice ,unlikely I will but if I do I want my cue to be cored joint to butt and the points cut into the core no A joint no butt joint no weight bolt
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Create a separate section for "no price/no photo" cues...or "incomplete listings"
I think this would help buyers choose if they want to be interrupted in their cue search by cue listings that are incomplete or missing vital information. When I look at cars, I often put 1$ in as a minimum list price, so as to automatically rule out incomplete listings. The first thing that a buyer is looking for when they click on a listing, is price and photos. I would consider any listing that is missing one of these critical elements...incomplete.
I do understand the boutique thought process of keeping it private, but remember that tire kickers are under-rated. A fairly large percentage of the worlds sales are started as a buyer kicking tires. If you don't believe it...just go to a shopping mall. All tire kickers, and all will buy stuff. I've bought a lot of cues where I just happened to see a listing, and the photo caught me, then the price caught me. Then I made an offer.
If you created a separate section for boutique/incomplete listings, the sellers would see a large DIVE in their sales numbers from listings in that section, and they would start putting their cues in the regular section WITH price/photos...why? Because they would realize the value of the tire kicker when their sales suffer. I'll end with this...ruling out tire kickers defies all sales logic...dean oc has defied this...that comes from a strong reputation, and consistency and branding. That's his brand. Not everyone will be able to pull that off. However, everyone knows his prices are great, and quality excellent, I don't know that about everyone else. I also don't know that anyone else will refund me if I don't like it. Brand.
I think this would help buyers choose if they want to be interrupted in their cue search by cue listings that are incomplete or missing vital information. When I look at cars, I often put 1$ in as a minimum list price, so as to automatically rule out incomplete listings. The first thing that a buyer is looking for when they click on a listing, is price and photos. I would consider any listing that is missing one of these critical elements...incomplete.
I do understand the boutique thought process of keeping it private, but remember that tire kickers are under-rated. A fairly large percentage of the worlds sales are started as a buyer kicking tires. If you don't believe it...just go to a shopping mall. All tire kickers, and all will buy stuff. I've bought a lot of cues where I just happened to see a listing, and the photo caught me, then the price caught me. Then I made an offer.
If you created a separate section for boutique/incomplete listings, the sellers would see a large DIVE in their sales numbers from listings in that section, and they would start putting their cues in the regular section WITH price/photos...why? Because they would realize the value of the tire kicker when their sales suffer. I'll end with this...ruling out tire kickers defies all sales logic...dean oc has defied this...that comes from a strong reputation, and consistency and branding. That's his brand. Not everyone will be able to pull that off. However, everyone knows his prices are great, and quality excellent, I don't know that about everyone else. I also don't know that anyone else will refund me if I don't like it. Brand.
You miss understood my "knifed in" comment.. The one I said who knifed in was Tony (Black Boar).. Flat bottom pockets where the tips are rounded due to the cutter radius. THEN he knifes in the tips to accommodate the sharp pointed prong inlays..ALSO. For MOST makers I was referring to INLAYS, NOT prongs..SO YOU should learn to read better.... All the cues above are traditionally short spliced fronts... I know what I said and meant.. You took it wrong..
By the way ALL of the above cues COULD have been done like Tony does,, FLAT BOTTOM KNIFED IN.. We choose not to do it that way...
Thanks for the compliment on the cues.
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If you understood how MOST makers do their inlay work you'd know what my epoxy comment was about BUT once again you show you know very little... The hole gets deeper...
L0L , Iv been in more than one cue shop ,, the last thing in this world that impresses me is cues with with a bunch of CNC epoxied in inlaid work
So in review
1, I don't like rounded points give me the impression of lazy cue making or cheap production cue
2. I don't like points that have a wide gap going under the wrap ,, makes the cue look like the wrap is in the wrong place , I want my points touching veneers or not
3,, I hate points that stop on a ring I realy want my cue to looked spliced not segmented
4 while I'm on points I'll add I hate cues that have points cut in between points looks like someone didn't know how to space points properly
5, Im not interested in buying cues that have no listed price if the cue has no price I feel I don't know if I'm getting a deal or not just feels underhanded to me
These are some of what I don't like I'm not interested of what Most people like or how most cue makers make thier cues if most people jumped of the bridge I'm not following
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You may have an "opinion" on what you like, you're entitled to THAT, BUT it's obvious by your statements you know NOTHING about making cues.. THAT's worth the MANY on AZ getting the big "LOL".. Looks like you need a bigger shovel..
Do you have to be a expert in how anything is built to know what you like . I hardly think so ,
But 4 the record Iv spent plenty of time in a cue shop Eienstien
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Everyone's "opinions" aside; I will answer the question.....
The answer is AZB WFS has no identity. I'll expand.
There are 2 basic formats in which to conduct business.
1- A Market place
2- an auction.
Right now,AZB WFS is neither and both :scratchhead:
(Buyers see it as neither, Sellers see it as both)
Right now; let's all agree it is more of a buyers market than a sellers market in pool cues. (There is more supply than demand for cues)
A marketplace has product available for currency or trade based on the "market" price. Market price is usually a mean of the average price of the aggregate product sold in the marketplace.
An Auction differs from a marketplace as there is more demand for a certain product than there is supply. Price is usually established by the estimated demand of the current buyers by the auction-house , AND the value of said product at its last sale.
E-Bay is primarily an Auction-place , but it is really both as it also has a "buy it now" option with a price.
Hopefully we have that established
Onto AZB WFS;
no price, pics & specs -- it's an auction. You want it , PM a price.
price,pics & specs. -- its a market sale. You want it , make an offer within a percentage above/below the market price. NOT the asking price A seller has the right to ask any price they wish for product, and can reject an undesirable bid.
No price, no pics and/or specs. -- You must not want to sell your product
You Don't go to Sotheby's , or Christies to buy a table lamp, (unless it's an original Tiffany )
I personally seen AZB WFS as a marketplace.
no price, no pics,............ I'm NOT INTERESTED,.... period.
I don't go to WFS anymore because its all messed up, and not worth the time. There are too many other places ,both on-line an off that have cues.
I feel as though I have wasted my time writing this as there are people here that can't agree to the description of a "Sneaky Pete," let alone how business should be conducted on a web-site.
The answer is AZB WFS has no identity. I'll expand.
There are 2 basic formats in which to conduct business.
1- A Market place
2- an auction.
Right now,AZB WFS is neither and both :scratchhead:
(Buyers see it as neither, Sellers see it as both)
Right now; let's all agree it is more of a buyers market than a sellers market in pool cues. (There is more supply than demand for cues)
A marketplace has product available for currency or trade based on the "market" price. Market price is usually a mean of the average price of the aggregate product sold in the marketplace.
An Auction differs from a marketplace as there is more demand for a certain product than there is supply. Price is usually established by the estimated demand of the current buyers by the auction-house , AND the value of said product at its last sale.
E-Bay is primarily an Auction-place , but it is really both as it also has a "buy it now" option with a price.
Hopefully we have that established
Onto AZB WFS;
no price, pics & specs -- it's an auction. You want it , PM a price.
price,pics & specs. -- its a market sale. You want it , make an offer within a percentage above/below the market price. NOT the asking price A seller has the right to ask any price they wish for product, and can reject an undesirable bid.
No price, no pics and/or specs. -- You must not want to sell your product
You Don't go to Sotheby's , or Christies to buy a table lamp, (unless it's an original Tiffany )
I personally seen AZB WFS as a marketplace.
no price, no pics,............ I'm NOT INTERESTED,.... period.
I don't go to WFS anymore because its all messed up, and not worth the time. There are too many other places ,both on-line an off that have cues.
I feel as though I have wasted my time writing this as there are people here that can't agree to the description of a "Sneaky Pete," let alone how business should be conducted on a web-site.