whats the best way to change a tip?

Zims Rack said:
Who said anything about hiring a helper, workman's comp, unemployment tax, etc??? The guy only suggested that he could retip local players cues, not open a factory!! I think you may have been a little quick to throw in your .01! The guy never said he wants to make a million putting tips on, just to do his own! It was suggested that he purchase a small lathe to help the locals out and that would soon pay for his investment in the lathe!

Zim
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And just how many tips does one have to put on at $10.00 each to pay for his investment? Don't forget the lathe needs electricity, it needs tooling, it needs a dry warm place to sleep, it needs supplies. There are taxes and insurance. It is not as easy as some would make it out to be and it ain't all profit. Just for your information I worked at my craft for 7 years without making one red cent. Every penny went into my shop. When you have paid your dues then you can talk.
 
JOEY said:
now youve done it! :( :)
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gotta resist,,,,,,gotta resist,,,,,,,gotta resist,,,,,,,hell, ain't had my meds today, >>>>>>>>>>>I FEEL A FLAME THREAD COMING ON<<<<<<<<<<<<
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
Every penny went into my shop. When you have paid your dues then you can talk.
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He's not building cues, he's putting a tip on a shaft. Zim suggested that he may recoop some cost by purchasing a mini lathe and helping out by doing tips for people in the pool community. Nothing wrong with that, he's not building cues, nobody is trying to steal your thunder here. I can't for the life me understand what your reasoning is for all that text.

Glenn
 
Glenn Deneweth said:
He's not building cues, he's putting a tip on a shaft. Zim suggested that he may recoop some cost by purchasing a mini lathe and helping out by doing tips for people in the pool community. Nothing wrong with that, he's not building cues, nobody is trying to steal your thunder here. I can't for the life me understand what your reasoning is for all that text.

Glenn
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Tappity Tap. No one is suggesting he hire a sweat-shop full of helpers to put a couple of tips on. You're right though that he forgot the electricity it takes to spin a lathe 3-5 minutes...that'll really put him in the red.

-Roger :o :o :o
 
Mr Wadworth,
It's not in my nature to be in a flame war with anyone on this forum. However, I feel you really jumped the gun on this one! ALL he wants to do is retip! He's not building a shop, hiring a "sweat shop", quiting his career, working 60 hours a week or claiming to be a repairman or cue maker....simple tip repair for his cues is ALL he's inquiring about. It was suggested that he purchase a small cue lathe to do his tip work and maybe some local players. That would help pay for his lathe much quicker.

No offense to anyone here, but for those of you cue makers that have been doing this for 20+ years and are nearing the senior citizen age... there are many quality, knowledgeable cue makers in the business today, it's not "your way or the highway", there's many different ways to reach the same end product. Some are better, some are not. Be flexible and open minded to the "next generation". And we wonder why the sport is dying!
Enough said, I don't plan to get into a flame war here!

Zim
 
Zims Rack said:
Mr Wadworth,
It's not in my nature to be in a flame war with anyone on this forum. However, I feel you really jumped the gun on this one! ALL he wants to do is retip! He's not building a shop, hiring a "sweat shop", quiting his career, working 60 hours a week or claiming to be a repairman or cue maker....simple tip repair for his cues is ALL he's inquiring about. It was suggested that he purchase a small cue lathe to do his tip work and maybe some local players. That would help pay for his lathe much quicker.

No offense to anyone here, but for those of you cue makers that have been doing this for 20+ years and are nearing the senior citizen age... there are many quality, knowledgeable cue makers in the business today, it's not "your way or the highway", there's many different ways to reach the same end product. Some are better, some are not. Be flexible and open minded to the "next generation". And we wonder why the sport is dying!
Enough said, I don't plan to get into a flame war here!

Zim
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Anytime someone tells me "no offense here" they know full well that they ARE being offensive or they would have no need to say "no offense here".

I keep seeing that you don't want to get into a flame war but you keep on trying to start one.

The whole point of this is that there is no such thing as $10 for 5 minutes work in the real world of cuemaking/repairing. Real cuemakers and repair persons work a lot harder than that and have an enormous inventment in time, money and telent. Some of us have actually done this kind of work.
 
Mr. Wadsworth,
I believe that you are the one that turned this into a negative one. Again, the guy's not opening a factory, simply putting tips on cues and maybe a few bucks doing it for others. He's not trying to get rich, just wants a new tip on his cue! I know a tip can be properly installed and ready to play in 5 minutes and I'm sure there are other repairmen that can back that up. There are others that disagree, maybe they use a different glue, maybe they talk more causing them to work a little slower. I'm not sure, but it can be done. Even if it takes 10 minutes to put a new tip on; that's 6 an hour at $10-$15 each...you're going to make a little cash at $60-$90 an hour installing tips.

Zim
 
Zims Rack said:
Mr. Wadsworth,
I believe that you are the one that turned this into a negative one. Again, the guy's not opening a factory, simply putting tips on cues and maybe a few bucks doing it for others. He's not trying to get rich, just wants a new tip on his cue! I know a tip can be properly installed and ready to play in 5 minutes and I'm sure there are other repairmen that can back that up. There are others that disagree, maybe they use a different glue, maybe they talk more causing them to work a little slower. I'm not sure, but it can be done. Even if it takes 10 minutes to put a new tip on; that's 6 an hour at $10-$15 each...you're going to make a little cash at $60-$90 an hour installing tips.

Zim
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It is pretty obvious that you have never installed a tip the right way.
 
I guess you're telling a large majority of members here that they aren't installing tips the right way! I have used in the past the advice of many members on "how to install a tip" and I HAVE NOT HAD ANY FALL OFF, due to my method! (yet)

We can end this now and agree to disagree and save space for other posts!

Zim
 
Zims Rack said:
I guess you're telling a large majority of members here that they aren't installing tips the right way! I have used in the past the advice of many members on "how to install a tip" and I HAVE NOT HAD ANY FALL OFF, due to my method! (yet)

We can end this now and agree to disagree and save space for other posts!

Zim
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Don't tell me who I am talking to or what I am saying. You said that garbage - not me.

I said: By the time I deal with the customer, center the shaft in the lathe, face the ferrule, prepare the tip by removing the varnish from the back of the tip, apply glue to the ferrule, clamp the tip and allow it to cure for a few minutes, dress the edges of the tip, shape the tip, remove it from the lathe and deal with the customer again, I havn't seen 5 minutes for about 20 minutes.

I have seen an example of your precision work on your web page: Your red "Pre-Owned Items" is placed on top of "Links" - Maybe that is how you are able to do a tip so fast. Also you are supposedly in the cue repair business but I don't see any prices. Are you afraid for your customers to see what you charge? Where are those $10.00 tips you make so much money on. Your other post indicates that you charge $15.00 each. If you are so fast why don't you stop overcharging your customers? Also I don't see any address to ship anything to. What kind of professional business doesn't have an address. Also if you are making so much money on tips why don't you quit your day job and do like the other professional cuemakers and repair persons and live off your cue work? Maybe living off the Government is easier than working for a living.

I will tell you what I think - I think you are an amateur salesman/dealer who makes money by selling real cuemakers creations. This forum's name is Ask the Cuemaker. You ain't one. When you become and have about 5 years under your belt then your opinion will be worth .01. After 10 years it will be worth more.

There is plenty of room to rebut anything you post.

My .02 cents worth.
 
WOW! Couldn't resist this one.

First of all, when someone starts a statement "no offense to anyone" or "I don't want to start a flame war" it is their way of politely disagreeing with someone and/or offering their differing oppinion on the subject. What the hell is wrong with that? That's not offensive! That's called a discussion to exchange differing oppinions. Apparently it's offensive to you that someone would have another oppinion.

Secondly, to refer to a customer as "dealing" with them is condesending at best. Almost as if you're doing THEM a favor, offering them YOUR time. If it wasn't for customers none of us would be in business! They come back and "deal" with you based on the quality of the work AND the quality of your attitude. One is just as important as the other.

Third, this notion of trying to get paid for ordering, unpacking and placing them in stock is absurd! Welcome to owning your own business my friend. We all have to do the little things to organize, stock and provide services to customers that sometimes go unpaid. Business ownership does not provide for the convenience of punching a clock, receiving an hourly wage and going home with no worries. If all of this is viewed as something to complain about then GO OUT OF BUSINESS! This forum is no place to complain about such things. Not to mention it all portraying a bad image.

Zim, sorry you've never put a tip on properly...my condolences.
 
Fullsplice said:
WOW! Couldn't resist this one.

Zim, sorry you've never put a tip on properly...my condolences.
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Zim, looks like I'm in the same "minor league" as you,,,,just any day now, I expect those 500 plus, tips that I installed improperly and lost money on last year, are giong to pop off in one big, exciting crash,,,and my customers will go to somebody else who has the latest and the best equipment to install then properly,,,,

hey, if it takes me more than 5 minutes total to remove, replace and shape an elk master or lepro, I'm doing something wrong,,,

must be doing something right, people still return when they need a new tip or somebody else has installed one crooked with their high dollar cue lathe,,LOL
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
It is pretty obvious that you have never installed a tip the right way.
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I've been to several cuemakers for repair work, and none of them, NONE, has taken longer than 10 minutes to replace a tip. These are not amateur craftsmen, they are highly respected cuemakers (read: a hellavulot bigger names than you Mr. Wadsworth). I'll be happy to inform them that they've been doing it the wrong way all these years.

Is it possible that you are just slow? I mean, I see them go through the same steps you listed, but my watch doesn't say 20 minutes at the end of it. Usually it's 5.

In any case, you are looking like a fool thus far, and it helps to remember that open forums like this one are about sharing information, not baseless discouragement.

-Roger
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
I have seen an example of your precision work on your web page: Your red "Pre-Owned Items" is placed on top of "Links"- Maybe that is how you are able to do a tip so fast. Also you are supposedly in the cue repair business but I don't see any prices. Are you afraid for your customers to see what you charge? Where are those $10.00 tips you make so much money on. Your other post indicates that you charge $15.00 each. If you are so fast why don't you stop overcharging your customers? Also I don't see any address to ship anything to. What kind of professional business doesn't have an address. Also if you are making so much money on tips why don't you quit your day job and do like the other professional cuemakers and repair persons and live off your cue work?
Maybe living off the Government is easier than working for a living.
I will tell you what I think - I think you are an amateur salesman/dealer who makes money by selling real cuemakers creations. This forum's name is Ask the Cuemaker. You ain't one. When you become and have about 5 years under your belt then your opinion will be worth .01. After 10 years it will be worth more.

There is plenty of room to rebut anything you post.

My .02 cents worth.
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Every computer and Windows system I've viewed (as well as many others), there is not a problem with the "red Pre-Owned Items" link overlapping the "Links" link. I never said that I charge $10, only commenting on a previous price mentioned. I work out of my private home, I don't give my street address for security reasons. I do give a city, phone, name, email, and background info on my website. If someone can't pick up a phone or email me to get my address, then that's their choice. I don't pocket any money from repairs, 100% of it goes back into supplies. It is something that I love to do and do it when time permits. I do post prices of the repairs I offer!
think you may have hit a spot for many people with this comment about the Government! You have the right and freedom to build your cues in your shop because of the men and women in the "Government" that have put their lives on the line for this great USofA and for people like you that don't appreciate them. I, along with ALL Military members, work our asses off and have made more sacrifices than most any man or woman ever will in their entire life.
I apologize to you Mr. Arnot Wadsworth, I didn't realize that when you first touched a lathe you created the PERFECT cue and have always been the almighty knowing cuemaker!! Even you had to start somewhere! I never claimed to be a great cuemaker, I simply commented about putting tips on cues. I have plenty of satisfied customers of all kind.
I have no idea why you decided to jump down my throat today! Did you wake up on the wrong side of the workbench?

Zim
 
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I apologize to those readers that find this conversation between Mr Wadsworth and I rediculous, (even though it's a little humorous) but I've been forced to defend myself now.
I thank those of you who support what I've been saying AND for doing good tip repair work AND keeping your customer happy and coming back!

Thanks,
Zim
 
The thing that keeps crossing my mind, is that while most message boards have a small part of the community making the posts, the vast majority are lurkers who just read.....never post and make purchasing decisions based on the input on the boards.

For everyone that is in ANY business, would you want this sort of advertising for yourself?

Speaking personally, there have been too numerous occasions to recount....where I made a decision NOT to purchase because I didn't like the salesman's tone or attitude or whatever else he put forth.

What do you imagine all those countless lurkers are thinking about now?

Dave
 
positive or negative, it puts your opinion out there,,,I don't agree with half of what is written here and respond to only a few in a negative and humorous (sometimes) way,,if someone can't see there are several ways to reach the same goal, then they have my pity whether they can accept or not,,,I did not grow up in a pack and don't think someone always has to try to be the alpha wolf,,,didn't grow up in a herd; so I don't follow the "my way or the highway mentality",,,I run a pool hall and some things that work for respectable shooters, don't work where most are young and don't own or take care of a cue,,,Loctite 454, super glue gels, etc. attached tips last 2 weeks, tops in my environment,,,epoxies keep the tips on until they "need" replacing (gels don't hold up where the sticks are dropped 3 or 4 times per day, installed by the factory or by me),,,, JMHO, take it or leave it !
 
,,,sometimes those with few posts come across as one-dimensional,,,have very little practical experience and in no way have earned their stripes and the authority or ability to make comments,,,,

I'm not a car salesman, so I don't have to lie, or "beat around the bush" to make a sale, people buy from me because I have almost every brand of production cue for them to try,,,then I TRUTHFULLY explain the differences and allow customers to make their own decisions based on what they've tried and desire,,,,,,,,

FWIW<<<<<<<<<<<< jflan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
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