What's the call??

[Quesports]

Watching the Women's 10 Hall Championship. In the match is an Asian gal named Su playing a gal from Serbia named Sarac.

Su plays a shot and scratches. After she scratches and while the other balls are still rolling the 7 ball hits her shaft and is redirected to where it stops. Not where it would have been if it did not hit her shaft.

It appears the referee did not see this and he takes the cue ball out of the pocket cleans it and hands it to the opponent, Sarac.

The announcers all saw it and commented about it.

Is it just BIH for Sarac or should it have been a loss of game for interfering with a ball in motion?

 

[tomatoshooter]

Rules (6.6) say it's a standard foul if touched unintentionally.

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I didn't see anything about multiple fouls, I assume only one foul counts per shot.

 

[Quesports]

Rules (6.6) say it's a standard foul if touched unintentionally.

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I didn't see anything about multiple fouls, I assume only one foul counts per shot.

Thank you for the explanation. It did appear to be totally unintentional.

 

[hang-the-9]

Watching the Women's 10 Hall Championship. In the match is an Asian gal named Su playing a gal from Serbia named Sarac.

Su plays a shot and scratches. After she scratches and while the other balls are still rolling the 7 ball hits her shaft and is redirected to where it stops. Not where it would have been if it did not hit her shaft.

It appears the referee did not see this and he takes the cue ball out of the pocket cleans it and hands it to the opponent, Sarac.

The announcersall saw it and commented about it.

Is it just BIH for Sarac or should it have been a loss of game for interfering with a ball in motion?

If it was accidental then no loss of game. I would have done a warning to make sure she is aware not to interfere with the balls after the shot.

 

[gregcantrall]

Multiple fouls would be enforcement of the greater penalty. With both being ball in hand for incidentally moving the ball. However unsportsmanlike would be the foul if the contact was intentional. The Referees' discretion is involved with unsportsmanlike, which could be up to, uh disqualification.

 

[ShootingArts]

The question in my mind is what do you do with the seven ball had that foul been seen also? Do you leave it where it is at, try to reach agreement where it should have been, spot it, or ...

Hu

 

[hang-the-9]

The question in my mind is what do you do with the seven ball had that foul been seen also? Do you leave it where it is at, try to reach agreement where it should have been, spot it, or ...

Hu

The default for this is the incoming player can decide if a moved ball should be moved back or left where it is. I would say even with a ref the same thing should happen, if the new position is acceptable to the incoming player it is left where it landed, if it caused a new issue then it can be moved back. This way the incoming player is not penalized by a bad situation coming from a foul by the other player that was an accident vs a deliberate foul used to tie up a ball with a legal stroke. In this situation we need to look at the "legal stroke" vs "illegal stroke" one is when a legal pool shot is executed with the tip hitting normally, the other is an illegal hit with the shaft or hand or whatever. That is why one foul is "legal" and the other is "not legal", if that makes sense.

 

[Fatboy]

Are these the referee's working for nothing?

 

[gregcantrall]

With a rolling ball being interrupted, the replacement would not be available. Only option is take it as it lays.
I saw an interesting situation in an 8 ball tournament back in the '80s at The White Spot. A table scratch on the 8 was ball in hand. The cue ball leaving the table was loss of game. Cocomo missed the 8 ball and the cue ball was heading straight for the corner after 2 rails. He snatched up the cue ball and handed it to his opponent. The tournament director interview of witnesses got a loss of game call. Could have been leave and don't come back.