Pool rooms are going to have to meet certain requirements in order to attract a pro tour stop.
What's wrong with our sport as I see it, and how to correct it.
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Pool rooms are going to have to meet certain requirements in order to attract a pro tour stop.
This I know for sure, who ever controls the money, controls the players. Who ever controls the players controls the viewers, and who ever controls the viewers, controls this sport!
Lot of truth in that statement -
Next -
Infrastructure , Logistics , Scheduling
Rinse and repeat yearly to get it solid
bill
Bill....I couldn't have said it any better!!! And that IS my plan! Pool is not broken, that implies that it was working at one time, and now it's not. Pool has never been managed right, because it's always been driven by how much money can be sucked out of it, and for personal satisfaction. In my book, once a year held events are only promoted to make money, or to feed ones ego, and no once a year events have, or ever will straighten this sport out. All you have to do is look at how many different so called organizations there are that all claim to have some kind of organization over pool. Even the BCA demands payment to recognize players winning certain events so they'll list the players names in the books!! I for one refuse to pay into those organizations, I'd rather take all that money and pay the Pros! Pool needs s dictatorship controlling it, paying the Pros, not a bunch of organizations ducking the money out of this sport under the assumption they're helping this sport!
Excellent post -:thumbup:
You hit it dead on the head with this " Dictatorship "
Hope your pockets get deep enough that you can fade a slow event because players go for a boycott -
Your rules your shows -
Like the USGA does it - put up your entry and if you win you get the trophy and the check -
All of the Pro golfers could boycott the US Open -
The USGA would still hold the tournament and hand out the posted prize and trophy -
They would fill out the field out of the qualifiers and carry on like nothing was wrong -
Really you don't need Pros - you will make Pros and Pros will have a place to be -
bill
Glen, please don't attach the word "gun," or any derivative thereof, to anything related the the future of the sport.
["Cueslingers" would work, as would a zillion other names.]
Like fatboy use to tell me, either your ON the train, or UNDER it, pick a side...LOL
I don't think your gonna find local amateurs that can hold a candle to a touring pro. I would recommend a pro-am day like in golf. Have em play scotch 8 ball. Good interaction between pro and amateur.
These touring spots, are they gonna lay down new cloth for the event? Seems a good angle to present your product.
Every pool hall I've been in, which isn't a lot, there's no room for spectators. So, you need a room big enough to pull tables for seating. Which v well may be a logistical nightmare.
I'm still skeptical on the viewing audience being able to support the idea, even with the low costs of viewership priveledges.
These touring spots, are they gonna lay down new cloth for the event? Seems a good angle to present your product.
Every pool hall I've been in, which isn't a lot, there's no room for spectators. So, you need a room big enough to pull tables for seating. Which v well may be a logistical nightmare.
I'm still skeptical on the viewing audience being able to support the idea, even with the low costs of viewership priveledges.
I can't afford to make any mistakes in what I'm doing, as the consequences are to high. The billiards industry world wide has no real billiards adhesive persay, but I've developed one working with Slokum Chemical, and if I can just get this industry to switch over to using my new adhesive, and with Diamond being a working model to show its value, nearest I can guesstimate it's worth about 500-600k net per month, and in case people don't understand what that means, I'll make it as simple as I can. With that being MY LLC income, I can do what ever I want with my money! I can build and support a pro tour if I want, and I can continue on and build world event centers to broadcast live events from if i want. I can involve pool rooms around the world to help me support a pro tour, or i can pass them over, like every casino held event does, but my first choice is to bring business back INTO the pool rooms. I can promote and support a REAL WORLD BAR TABLE CHAMPIONSHIP by inviting EVERY bar on the planet that has a Diamond 7ft....over 16,000 of them world wide....to host in house tournaments to come up with ONE player per table, then play off the different regions around the world to group players by their regions, who then are ALL in the money finals....to come to the one region of the world that with the help of multiple bars, all with Diamond 7fts, about 300 of them....play off the finals of the world bar table championships! All of this can happen on a pro level, and world amateur world championship levels....because I own the glue, therefore I say where the money gets spent....or, I can just say screw it, I'm wasting my time, bank my money and retire a millionaire and spend the rest of my life fishing for steelhead and salmon in the rivers up here where I live....and wish this industry good luck, I'm done!
Don't really matter how many spectators can fit in to watch the pro tour stop, because I won't be looking at them as a way of recovering some of my expenses, all that really matters is that the pro tour stop happens where, and when it's suppose to.
Your gonna pay the room owner with in house viewers solely?
Your income is coming from subscribers mainly?
I get a kick out of the world Chinese 8 ball championships, because no one can see the whole purpose of promoting Chinese 8 ball, is not to pay the players, it's to sell their tables, and they're using the players to do so, just like everyone else ever has....but it's all ok, because the world champion won $120,000 for first place....once in the period of a year...LOL how much has the manufacturer's made selling their tables in that year?
If I can get professional pool under control as I see it, with 128 pros playing monthly, the monthly winner will be getting paid $128,000 monthly, and losing in the first round every month will still pay $12,000 a year!!! And I'm NOT selling pool tables!!
The sport of pool has no event centers, no stadiums, no place that is significant to this sport that makes a player stand back and look in awe at the place they're about to compete in. Pool has no world titles that have to be WON....or LOST on a battlefield of tour blue, so that all that are watching can then know beyond and shadow of doubt who the greatest player on the planet is. Pool had no long reining world champions who've had to battle the best of the best to keep what they call....the world champion title. Pool has NO mandatory title defences in order to have a title on the line to have to defend! Pool has no mountains to climb so as to place a flag among those flags already planted at the top of the mountain from all those whom have already made the climb. Pool does not give equal chances to all those that play this sport, a chance to be a real world champion. No, pool players today are required to work their way through a field of players, playing by amateur rules, and amateur races....in a effort to squeeze out a living, OR they're invited to play among a field of other invitees in a so called....world tournament, and even in winning the so called title....and will have already lost it before even defending it once....to the next up coming event, being forced to see if the champion can regain the title again through another hand picked field of players....only to lose it again by the next day.
Pool isn't broken, nope....its just seriously mismanaged, and always has been because NO ONE has taken the steps needed to organize it, and turn it into a real time sport. You can blame everyone selling a product in this industry for that, which is WHY this industry is now being threatened by Chinese 8ball, because they have a manufacturing industry standing behind THEIR sport!!!
Pool isn't broken, nope....its just seriously mismanaged, and always has been because NO ONE has taken the steps needed to organize it, and turn it into a real time sport. You can blame everyone selling a product in this industry for that, which is WHY this industry is now being threatened by Chinese 8ball, because they have a manufacturing industry standing behind THEIR sport!!!
Wowser!
I won $65.00 whopping dollars at the local dive in the weekly 8 Ball tournament last night. It was also our first snow fall/blizzard of the year. We risked our lives driving on icy roads to play pool and a couple may have received internal injuries to their liver after consuming so much.
Maybe pool is ok around here, not really....
I won $65.00 whopping dollars at the local dive in the weekly 8 Ball tournament last night. It was also our first snow fall/blizzard of the year. We risked our lives driving on icy roads to play pool and a couple may have received internal injuries to their liver after consuming so much.
Maybe pool is ok around here, not really....
There is so much truth in your words. For me who loves this sport and has some experience here and there it is sad to teach and help the young talents to grow to the level where they have to make their choice after they graduate...and bearing in mind pool player is not a profession and unfortunately for the time being pool does not offer deserving money to make a living... I guess there is no need to continue what all of us know...but I'll be so happy to see how this sport relives and meets its best times. I'm ready to do all I can to help this ever happen. So many are saying pool is boring to watch and it's hard to attract the audience. I'm not on this side and I'm convinced it is just not organized in the right fashion. I just see most big tournaments in USA with a PPV stream where there is no chance for a random viewer to come across. Again let's have a look at snooker example. As a coach I know and heard so many stories about people who are not any kind of amateur players they could not even pocketed their first ball yet but they love to watch snooker on Eurosport and they do because they have such possibility and there are those who came across this game first time by just changing the channels watching TV. There are also other than TV possibilities for sure...
To be short the more people like you with the ideas, motivation, opportunities who are ready to act the earlier the things will start to change. Of course it is not an easy task and it is so much easier to be critical than to do something about it...
Pro tour sponsorship in the beginning will be supported by my glue sales world wide. I don't pay the pool room owner, they get the cover charge in the form of pre paying for food a d drinks.
I think the lack of an organised tour hurts the game more than is given credit for. Beyond the lack of events and structure, a tour provides context to competition. Part of the fun of sport is tracking the performance of your favorite players or teams across a season. Keeping track of wins and finishes, records and other stats. Pool doesn't have that. The World 9 ball peaks my interest each year, along with the US Open, DCC and any 14.1 event. But generally, it's tough to get excited about a random event with SVB playing a local champ. There is no context.
To get people to watch, you need people to know and care about the players and care about who wins the tournament. If people don't know the players, they won't watch. If they know the players but aren't interested in who wins the event, they won't watch. I think more people get excited about the World 9 ball because the outcome has an impact. The winner gets announced as a World Champion. We have to remember what motivates people to watch sport. The ATP Tennis tour gets plenty of viewership because people know the players and they care about who wins the tour events. If you go down to the challenger tour events, viewership is much smaller despite it still being high quality tennis. But people don't know who is playing and couldn't care less about the outcome.
To get people to watch, you need people to know and care about the players and care about who wins the tournament. If people don't know the players, they won't watch. If they know the players but aren't interested in who wins the event, they won't watch. I think more people get excited about the World 9 ball because the outcome has an impact. The winner gets announced as a World Champion. We have to remember what motivates people to watch sport. The ATP Tennis tour gets plenty of viewership because people know the players and they care about who wins the tour events. If you go down to the challenger tour events, viewership is much smaller despite it still being high quality tennis. But people don't know who is playing and couldn't care less about the outcome.