Andrew Manning said:
Hmmm, hard to say. Better than a shortstop, so I guess I would say pro calibre, but maybe not top pro? I would say he can beat his old man occasionally but is certainly not the favorite.
When did Efren FIRST come to the USA?
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Hmmm, hard to say. Better than a shortstop, so I guess I would say pro calibre, but maybe not top pro? I would say he can beat his old man occasionally but is certainly not the favorite.
Thank God.JG-in-KY said:Actually they were Brunswick Centurions, joey
Frennie would be a shortstop here.Andrew Manning said:
He might win a regional tournament but not a pro-tournament.
A ha!!!!
A Ha!!! See, this is exactly what I had in mind when I started this thread. I thought there might be a hint or two about Efren being in the States prior to 1985. Hey, this could be one of the ultimate tirivia questions about the history of pool over the past 50 years - "When was Efren FIRST in this country?" I suppose it's something that may never be know with absolute certainty (did OJ do it?), but I think it's an interesting question and has given rise to an interesting thread. And btw, great info on Paria! Thanks, Linda!
rackmsuckr said:
A Ha!!! See, this is exactly what I had in mind when I started this thread. I thought there might be a hint or two about Efren being in the States prior to 1985. Hey, this could be one of the ultimate tirivia questions about the history of pool over the past 50 years - "When was Efren FIRST in this country?" I suppose it's something that may never be know with absolute certainty (did OJ do it?), but I think it's an interesting question and has given rise to an interesting thread. And btw, great info on Paria! Thanks, Linda!
Not according to a friend of mine whom I just talked to.BillPorter said:A Ha!!! See, this is exactly what I had in mind when I started this thread. I thought there might be a hint or two about Efren being in the States prior to 1985. Hey, this could be one of the ultimate tirivia questions about the history of pool over the past 50 years - "When was Efren FIRST in this country?" I suppose it's something that may never be know with absolute certainty (did OJ do it?), but I think it's an interesting question and has given rise to an interesting thread. And btw, great info on Paria! Thanks, Linda!
He's Efren's main matchup man here.
Efren used Cesar Morales's passport when he came here in '85.
Cesar used to hang out by Lucky 13 in Manila where Efren frequented then.
rackmsuckr said:
If Efren did lose a set on purpose for safety reasons or even to keep a customer, I wouldnt really consider that true "dumping" or a negative thing.
Dumping your manager or losing a set for your immediate financial gain is a low down scoundrel move though IMHO.
I am a new poster, but a longtime reader of posts on this great forum. I am trying to research the Rochester angle, and have had a few people tell me that yes, he was in Rochester in the late 70's. When I find out more I will let this forum know. Anyone that has info on this, could they please email me at therooko@hotmail.com. Thanks.
Sparky Ferrell
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caesar morales
I have been to texas at a place called richie 8-ball about 10 years ago and the old man that owned it had the news paper with the tournament results from his first appearance to the usa (houston) he beat billy johnson (wade crane) in the finals the its funny how both players were playing under fake names as for the match with buddy, efren won the tournament then beat wade a set for 3000 then played buddy a set for 5000 or 10000 efren lost to buddy and he was tired we will play tomorrow buddy never showed up tomorrow ALL THIS INFO OTHER THAN THE TOURNAMENT RESULTS I AM QUOTING FROM A SOLID SOURCE I WAS NOT THERE I WAS IN 7TH GRADE
I have been to texas at a place called richie 8-ball about 10 years ago and the old man that owned it had the news paper with the tournament results from his first appearance to the usa (houston) he beat billy johnson (wade crane) in the finals the its funny how both players were playing under fake names as for the match with buddy, efren won the tournament then beat wade a set for 3000 then played buddy a set for 5000 or 10000 efren lost to buddy and he was tired we will play tomorrow buddy never showed up tomorrow ALL THIS INFO OTHER THAN THE TOURNAMENT RESULTS I AM QUOTING FROM A SOLID SOURCE I WAS NOT THERE I WAS IN 7TH GRADE
The plot thickens!
The plot thickens! Pool detectives are coming out of the woodwork to answer this question. As for me, as much as I'd like to keep checking this thread, I must now join my wife in the living room to watch Criminal Minds. Guess it won't be too much of a shift.poolrooko said:
Thanks for the info
Hey, Sparky, thanks for the info. And BTW, I always enjoy seeing you in action at DCC.Sparky Ferrell said:
Rochester
Just curious who you are going to contact about the Rochester thing? Send me a PM if you don't want to talk about it in public. I have a few very credible sources. I am also going to try to get a hold of the guy that owned the pool hall at that time.
poolrooko said:
Just curious who you are going to contact about the Rochester thing? Send me a PM if you don't want to talk about it in public. I have a few very credible sources. I am also going to try to get a hold of the guy that owned the pool hall at that time.
I emailed Mr. Puyat, Efren's manager, to see whether he could get clarification for us.
I use to be Boy Bicol's sidekick back in the early '70s when the hot spot was D'or Billiards in Cubao. Yes he was top dog back then and mostly playing Efren, Amang and Totoy Dacer. I only did find out about his demise after I returned from the US. I was told that it was his stakehorse that was "invited" but, for not knowing what was going on, he insisted that he should go with his financier. So off they went only to be found in pieces that can fit shoe boxes.JoeyInCali said:
This thread, IMHO, deserves a bump or two
For me, this has been one of the most interesting threads ever. I just thought it deserved a bump.
For me, this has been one of the most interesting threads ever. I just thought it deserved a bump.
Efren arrives here tonite but I don't know if I'm gonna see him this weekend.BillPorter said:
He'll be here in July for the IPT event at the Venetian of course.
Maybe we can settle this then.
I was watching a top player around 1975 or 6 practicing this shot. He got extremely close. Close enough that I think it's possible with a terrific stroke. Anyway a guy came up and bet him $50 on the shot. He took the bet and set the CB down and fired a bank straight back in the corner. The bet was remember, Shoot the spot and not touch a rail with the CB no mention of how.Gerry said:
I don't know about Red's in Houston [or when that was] but I do know that in July/Aug[??] 1885 I was the Head Referee helping out Chris Chrisman run that years BIlliards Digest 3 Cushion Open [$30,000 prize money-really, really big for those days] at Chris's Billiards on N Mailwaukee in Chicago when Efrem walked in the door and paid his entry fee. Now I had heard about him from my friend CARL CONLON but had never met him until then. Ceuleman's was there, a 19 year old Blomdahl, Larry "Boston Shorty" Johnson, Gilbert, Ashby, Torres, Hallon, Sims plus all the other usual suspects. Never seen anything like it until CAROM CORNER and SANG LEE got going [Sang came over one year later in 1986 for which I have a story about also].
So at any rate, EFREM was there, he played and was one of the also rans in that he did not make the finals. But they did have sorta a consolation finals, 8 man single elimination as I re-call, which EFREM did win to cash for $1000. As I was the head referee I was responsible for scheduling all the games. Efrem asked me if I could work around him as he was also playing in a local 9 Ball Tourney in another room in Chicago that Sat and Sun, those being the days he also had to play at Chris's in the consolation finals playing 3 cushion carom billiards. While winning the consolation finals at Chris's [he played to around a solid 0.950 average] he also won the 9 Ball Tournament, going from room to room to play what he had to when he had to. Most remarkable performance.
Hope you enjoyed it, this is a true story
Dennis Dieckman, Builder of Magik Wandzzzzzz
So at any rate, EFREM was there, he played and was one of the also rans in that he did not make the finals. But they did have sorta a consolation finals, 8 man single elimination as I re-call, which EFREM did win to cash for $1000. As I was the head referee I was responsible for scheduling all the games. Efrem asked me if I could work around him as he was also playing in a local 9 Ball Tourney in another room in Chicago that Sat and Sun, those being the days he also had to play at Chris's in the consolation finals playing 3 cushion carom billiards. While winning the consolation finals at Chris's [he played to around a solid 0.950 average] he also won the 9 Ball Tournament, going from room to room to play what he had to when he had to. Most remarkable performance.
Hope you enjoyed it, this is a true story
Dennis Dieckman, Builder of Magik Wandzzzzzz