When installing rail cloth.

cloth on rails

So, ARE YOU PULLING IT TIGHT END TO END WITH THE FEATHER STRIP AND THEN FLIPPING THE RAIL AND STRETCHING IT END TO END TIGHT AND PUTTING IN A COUPLE STAPLES TO HOLD IT?
 
So, ARE YOU PULLING IT TIGHT END TO END WITH THE FEATHER STRIP AND THEN FLIPPING THE RAIL AND STRETCHING IT END TO END TIGHT AND PUTTING IN A COUPLE STAPLES TO HOLD IT?

No, I only pull it snug end to end as I set the feather strip. I start setting the feather strip from the center of the rail first, then work my way in each direction end to end, pulling the cloth only to the point that it's still springy. As I set the end of the feather strip, I feather the cloth inward toward the cushion creating a relief of cloth to cut out, that I don't have to deal with in the pockets when stapling up the cloth.

I don't take out as much for the side pockets as I do the corners.
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Then, when I get ready to start stapling the rail, if it's a side rail, I first start at the side pocket, attach the cloth there with 2 staples. Then stretch the cloth into the corner pocket, center the slack over the point of the cushion so the slack is evenly distributed into the pocket and over the nose of the cushion, then I wrap the cloth over the point and staple it with one staple to hold it in place in the corner pocket. Once that's done, then I go back to the side pocket, and run my staples from there all the way to the first staple I placed in the corner pocket, then start in the back of the pocket, attaching the cloth there, then work my way forward to where I left off stapling...finishing off the pocket.
 
Glen, I know on a Carom table the rail cloth should be as tight as possible. But is this too tight for a pool table?
 
Glen, I know on a Carom table the rail cloth should be as tight as possible. But is this too tight for a pool table?

Yep, it sure is Donny. If half of the stretch put into stretching the rail cloth tight with the feather strip....is put into stretching the cloth end to end UNDER the rail, then there's no chance of having puckers under the rails...and it gives you a more manageable cloth to work with in the pockets.

Glen
 
can you be more specific on cutting out the portion of cloth you refer to as a relief

No, I only pull it snug end to end as I set the feather strip. I start setting the feather strip from the center of the rail first, then work my way in each direction end to end, pulling the cloth only to the point that it's still springy. As I set the end of the feather strip, I feather the cloth inward toward the cushion creating a relief of cloth to cut out, that I don't have to deal with in the pockets when stapling up the cloth.

I don't take out as much for the side pockets as I do the corners.
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Then, when I get ready to start stapling the rail, if it's a side rail, I first start at the side pocket, attach the cloth there with 2 staples. Then stretch the cloth into the corner pocket, center the slack over the point of the cushion so the slack is evenly distributed into the pocket and over the nose of the cushion, then I wrap the cloth over the point and staple it with one staple to hold it in place in the corner pocket. Once that's done, then I go back to the side pocket, and run my staples from there all the way to the first staple I placed in the corner pocket, then start in the back of the pocket, attaching the cloth there, then work my way forward to where I left off stapling...finishing off the pocket.
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I assume were talking new rails or used but undamagedfairly clean easy to work with.

You stretch it in about 5 locations

1. along the feather strip.
2. special stretch when you transfer to the bottom of the rail.
3. stretch along the bottom rail from end to end.
4. actual stretch when you staple the cloth down to preload the rubber.
5. each corner and side have thier own stretch.

I think its easier to answer by showing then by trying to type it out.

I don't like pre-loading my rubber. I've learned that if I do so, it usually takes 20-30 minutes before I'm ready to get back on the job.
 
can you post a picture of the cloth with the relif cut out?

No, I only pull it snug end to end as I set the feather strip. I start setting the feather strip from the center of the rail first, then work my way in each direction end to end, pulling the cloth only to the point that it's still springy. As I set the end of the feather strip, I feather the cloth inward toward the cushion creating a relief of cloth to cut out, that I don't have to deal with in the pockets when stapling up the cloth.

I don't take out as much for the side pockets as I do the corners.
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Then, when I get ready to start stapling the rail, if it's a side rail, I first start at the side pocket, attach the cloth there with 2 staples. Then stretch the cloth into the corner pocket, center the slack over the point of the cushion so the slack is evenly distributed into the pocket and over the nose of the cushion, then I wrap the cloth over the point and staple it with one staple to hold it in place in the corner pocket. Once that's done, then I go back to the side pocket, and run my staples from there all the way to the first staple I placed in the corner pocket, then start in the back of the pocket, attaching the cloth there, then work my way forward to where I left off stapling...finishing off the pocket.

can you post a picture of the relief cut out?
 
In post #22 I posted a picture showing the extra cloth to cut out so there's not as much cloth to pull out under the rails in the pockets.
In these pictures I show you I pulled the cloth from end to end under the rails, then placed a staple at both ends to hold the cloth in place.
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After stretching the cloth end to end and securing it, I then go back to the center of the rail and start pulling and stapling the cloth here, working my way to both ends.
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Then I pull the cloth to the back of the pocket, staple it there, then work my way back to where I placed my first staple to hold the cloth in place to begin with, closing the pocket.
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Then I use my scissors to trim the cloth, I don't use a razor because it don't do as good of a job, and it cuts across the threads needed to hold the cloth behind the staples...resulting in the cloth pulling away from the staples and sagging under the rails.
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I'd just like to add that I didn't start this thread to knock anyone's work, I started it to bring about conversation about recovering rails. I think there's a perfect way to recover rails that the end results are the same every time, no matter who recovers the rails. If you think about it, why is it that if 10 mechanics recover 10 of the exact same tables, you end up with 10 different tables in the end, they don't really play the exact same, and 3 months down the road....they all look different, THAT'S what I'm talking about...and that's what I'm interested in changing...to where all 10 tables turn out the same...so much so that no one can tell WHO recovered which table. Every mechanic's work is a signature, and believe me...if you see one mechanic's work enough...when you run into a table he recovered....you KNOW it was him...because of his signature work!

When I was recovering tables all the time in Washington state...I knew of 22 other mechanics, because I knew the signature of work of each one of them. Some I didn't mind following, others I hated...LOL...but I knew everyone of them....but I only knew of 4 of them personally, the others I just heard of...but I never forgot their signature work;)

Glen
 
Glen, I notice black cushions on the table. I use black cushions like that also. What brand are those?

thanks John
 
table rails

What does R.L.C. stand for? I expect to see R.K.C. I am sure you do not have to mark your work, with a marker. Just wondering, if that was another mechanic.
Thanks, Ron
 
What does R.L.C. stand for? I expect to see R.K.C. I am sure you do not have to mark your work, with a marker. Just wondering, if that was another mechanic.
Thanks, Ron

Factory employee's signing off on their work:smile:
 
Glen, I notice black cushions on the table. I use black cushions like that also. What brand are those?

thanks John

They're K55 cushions, but I've never asked Diamond who they get them from, never had the need to.

Glen
 
I'd just like to add that I didn't start this thread to knock anyone's work, I started it to bring about conversation about recovering rails. I think there's a perfect way to recover rails that the end results are the same every time, no matter who recovers the rails. If you think about it, why is it that if 10 mechanics recover 10 of the exact same tables, you end up with 10 different tables in the end, they don't really play the exact same, and 3 months down the road....they all look different, THAT'S what I'm talking about...and that's what I'm interested in changing...to where all 10 tables turn out the same...so much so that no one can tell WHO recovered which table. Every mechanic's work is a signature, and believe me...if you see one mechanic's work enough...when you run into a table he recovered....you KNOW it was him...because of his signature work!

When I was recovering tables all the time in Washington state...I knew of 22 other mechanics, because I knew the signature of work of each one of them. Some I didn't mind following, others I hated...LOL...but I knew everyone of them....but I only knew of 4 of them personally, the others I just heard of...but I never forgot their signature work;)

Glen
Thanks, waiting patiently for videos.
 
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