I am the one that gets the speeding ticket, not the table. One reason I practice kicking a lot."When is a table too fast?"
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When is a table too fast?
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My home table has 760 Simonis. This makes me work on the delicate end of my game.
It is easier to add power than it is to add delicacy. However, Simonis 300 would be absolutely too fast.
It is easier to add power than it is to add delicacy. However, Simonis 300 would be absolutely too fast.
I do not like fast rails….fast cloth I like.
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I think its just the opposite. New cloth plays "slick", pockets play bigger and banks are goofy, especially multi-rail kicks but I wouldn't say it plays faster than old cloth. We had to play on a Valley that had very worn 860 on it, it didnt even feel like cloth anymore, about the only way to slow the cue ball down was by hitting a cushion. Talk about a weird night.Fresh or New Cloth tend to be faster then old worn out crap.
This thread is typical, as people like to complain about something, smoke too cold, to hot, equipment, price of bottler water.
Funny thing is the cloth thing effect both Players the same, improvise, adapt, and overcome little bump in your road.
When worsted cloth starts getting worn-out it resembles a sheet of ice.
This stuff was so worn it went from Simonis green to like a light green, its like the whole sheet of cloth was one big burn mark.
The last time they changed the cloth at the bigger pool room in our area, they were unbelievably fast...it threw me for a loop. A lot of that boils down to my ability (or inability) to adapt, but wow, it was like glass. After a week, they had settled down to just plain fast, and i wasn't as out of my element.
My main room just changed cloth, and they are certainly a bit faster than before, but nowhere near as dramatic a difference.
My main room just changed cloth, and they are certainly a bit faster than before, but nowhere near as dramatic a difference.
Old cloth will be a lot slower if it is loose and full of chalk. I use to play in a room where if you pushed your bridge hand up to the cue ball, wrinkles would raise in the cloth. I don't think I ever played on new cloth there.
I just posted elsewhere how to measure speed of the cloth by timing a lag shot.
The faster the better……it weeds out inferior players fast and distinguishes strong players even quicker.
Tight pockets, fast cloth, resilient rails…..and on a 10’ table, well, that’s just nirvana. But since that’s like
looking for the Golden Fleece, the same setup on 9’ table offers a close facsimile. Weak players struggle
and gripe about the conditions but strong players welcome the challenge because they are up to the task.
Tight pockets, fast cloth, resilient rails…..and on a 10’ table, well, that’s just nirvana. But since that’s like
looking for the Golden Fleece, the same setup on 9’ table offers a close facsimile. Weak players struggle
and gripe about the conditions but strong players welcome the challenge because they are up to the task.
If you have to bunt the balls, the table is too fast.
Had use of a 9 footer with billiard grade Granito in the 90s. I found it the easiest playing of anything ever. All the angles worked. Multi railed breakouts could be shot right in the heart of an average stroke. If the billiard landed at all the cluster would open guaranteed. The room owner musta spent a month leveling the table but I'm glad he did the work. He got rid of the cloth after a few months and pool aint been the same since. lol...
tomatoshooter
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I like cloth that isn't too fast. Especially if the table is not perfectly level. Shoot slow and the ball rolls off. Shoot fast and it rolls and rolls and rolls.... If I were a pro maybe I'd feel different but I ain't stringing so many (or any) racks together that I need to make the game harder, it's frustrating enough as it is. My current cloth is pretty slow and I can still move the ball where I need to. A little spin and a well planned route can carry the ball pretty far. The only time it is tough is when I try to force follow a near-straight shot around the table.
I will say that a big table with fast cloth can be pretty cool if it is perfectly level. It's fun to watch the shot over several seconds.
I will say that a big table with fast cloth can be pretty cool if it is perfectly level. It's fun to watch the shot over several seconds.
I remain in my shooting stance the entire time after stroking the cue ball. My bridge hand remains on the cloth and only gets lifted when the OB & CB stop rolling or to let the CB pass underneath. This allows me to view the CB direction and rail action which is added helpful information for attaining subsequent shape during the game & match. One thing is always certain. Watch the cue ball because it never lies and always tells the truth.
I like it like that sometimes. Super wore out cloth can be fun.
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DangleShot
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Seems like cloth plays best brand-spankin' new or totally worn. In-between isn't optimal. I hate the 'gutters' that form along the rails from all the ball burns from the rail collisions, they get really bad in those spots where the corner balls hit the rails after breaks and in the throats of the corner pockets. I hate when slow-rolling balls in the pockets hit the rail, bounce off half-dead, start rolling toward the mouth, and then get sucked back to the rail when the ball gets trapped in the worn down track on the sides. Seems like the only remedy to that without changing the cloth is when the whole cloth turns into one big burn.
Rare to see that, though, usually by the time cloth gets that old, someone will have damaged it badly enough to warrant its replacement or have the table fall into disuse. I saw the way simonis would almost turn satiny and shiny once it got really old, it looked terrible but played great. The university I went to used to have a Gold Crown with nappy cloth that had to be decades old, but it was somehow not abused, very level, worn evenly, smooth and crazy fast, and I loved how it rolled and rolled and rolled. I love hitting the balls slowly and watching the ball take forever to go all the way across the table and go in at dead weight. I would mess around by myself on that table for 4 hours at a time. Had a couple times where there'd be two or three balls left on the table, find a way to carom them into each other, and have them all find pockets eventually after 20 seconds of just rolling around, sometimes 5, 6, 7 rails. Insanity! Bill