Where and when was 14.1 as we know it first played?
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yaffabernstein
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Masayoshi said:
Keogh, 1911, usa, rotation is a stupid game, 120 points on the table, 61 to win, you can make 2/3rd's of the balls and lose, make the last 5 and win which are the easiest. 14.1 solved that paying a point for each ball potted.
It was invented by Jerome Keogh. But I believe before 14.1 was created there was another version of the game played before that but I don't think you had to call pockets. Before that was a game called 61 pool, which was basically rotation but you didn't have to call pockets. As yaffabernstein saids, it was a stupid game. Way too easy.
mnShooter said:
That would be great, it would certainly solve the problems I have with 9 ball and 10 ball.
close...
the game between 61 and 14:1 was LineUp,
and, as with 14.1, it was a call shot game.
all balls pocketed, are spotted, thus the 'line up'
good players would have a line of balls back to the foot rail
Keogh came up with the idea of re-racking all but the last ball
BTW there is a guy by the name of Reyes who would probably argue
that Rotation is not a stupid game
Dale
Cameron Smith said:
the game between 61 and 14:1 was LineUp,
and, as with 14.1, it was a call shot game.
all balls pocketed, are spotted, thus the 'line up'
good players would have a line of balls back to the foot rail
Keogh came up with the idea of re-racking all but the last ball
BTW there is a guy by the name of Reyes who would probably argue
that Rotation is not a stupid game
Dale
Cameron Smith said:
When do you have to call pockets in rotation?
Even worse than a stupid game, 61 pool was not a rotation game, as far as I know. It was simply who ever sank a ball, they got the pt. value of the ball. First to 61 pts. wins. No calling. No rotation.
Fred
Cameron Smith said:
CS,
I believe that Jerome Keogh was a mentor for Irving Crane, who in turn was somewhat of a mentor for Mike Sigel. Does the line end there (Mike wanted a grand for a lesson)?????
Hi Folks,
Nice to see so many people remember Jerome Keogh. I started playing in Jerome's room here in Rochester. Mike Sigel was mentored by Irving. He learned some of his habits both good and bad. He also learned to treat new or lesser players with distain, just as Irving did. Once he got to be "The Greatest Ever", we were just cannon fodder.
Willie, there was another player here in Rochester who could have been the equal of Mike in 14.1. His name is Pat Howey. Pat chose job and family rather than the game. On many occasions, I remember Mike telling people that Pat played the best patterns he'd seen. With Irving and Arthur Cranfield as mentors, why not!!!!! Pat would frequently run 200 plus without practice.
Although the game was "invented" here, 14.1 is dying out. Up till a couple of years ago, we had a sixteen player league with more wanting to get in. Something happened. I wish I could tell you exactly. Pat and I used to exchange 100 plus ball runs on a regular basis. The room manager took the centennial ball sets out. He replaced them with a basic Aramith set and mis-matched cue ball. Jokingly, Pat was so frustrated, he picked up and moved to Florida! Its been at least two years since I ran a century in Rochester. Everyone wants to play either nine ball or bar box eight ball. Sad, so sad.
Lyn
Nice to see so many people remember Jerome Keogh. I started playing in Jerome's room here in Rochester. Mike Sigel was mentored by Irving. He learned some of his habits both good and bad. He also learned to treat new or lesser players with distain, just as Irving did. Once he got to be "The Greatest Ever", we were just cannon fodder.
Willie, there was another player here in Rochester who could have been the equal of Mike in 14.1. His name is Pat Howey. Pat chose job and family rather than the game. On many occasions, I remember Mike telling people that Pat played the best patterns he'd seen. With Irving and Arthur Cranfield as mentors, why not!!!!! Pat would frequently run 200 plus without practice.
Although the game was "invented" here, 14.1 is dying out. Up till a couple of years ago, we had a sixteen player league with more wanting to get in. Something happened. I wish I could tell you exactly. Pat and I used to exchange 100 plus ball runs on a regular basis. The room manager took the centennial ball sets out. He replaced them with a basic Aramith set and mis-matched cue ball. Jokingly, Pat was so frustrated, he picked up and moved to Florida! Its been at least two years since I ran a century in Rochester. Everyone wants to play either nine ball or bar box eight ball. Sad, so sad.
Lyn
cardiac kid said:
CK,
Yes, I think Pat is posting here now. I try to read ALL of his posts. I try to pick the brain of every good straight pooler I can find.
it first started in a 37' ford when henry was unable to maintain oil flow he hired pool players to design a flow pattern for continuous usage.
Deriving a flow for perputual organization Mosconi invented the game of 14.1. where 14 would actually be the max number of cylinders on a auto.
engineers would later fill out the design to specs.
all records of this event would be lost due to media mogul hearst inc. expanding into manhattan recently.
Deriving a flow for perputual organization Mosconi invented the game of 14.1. where 14 would actually be the max number of cylinders on a auto.
engineers would later fill out the design to specs.
all records of this event would be lost due to media mogul hearst inc. expanding into manhattan recently.
pdcue said:
Line Up Pool was the forerunner to 14.1. It was popular around the turn of the century (when I was first starting out). You lined up all 15 balls from the foot spot back to the middle diamond. And players started with a conventional safe break shot. After all 15 balls were pocketed, they were lined up again and the player would continue shooting. I think it got to easy for the best players like Jake Schaefer and Toupee Jay.
There is actually a very good drill to practice, where you line up eight balls from the middle diamond on the end rail and then the last seven at a right angle to these. The idea is to make all 15 balls in one pocket, starting with ball in hand. It's not so easy and takes excellent cue ball control.