Where do your eyes look?

[Snorks]

but when your playing golf, do you look at the ball you are hitting, or the target (fairway/green/flagstick)?

it just seems teetotally illogical to me that one would look at the object ball last.

DCP

After 9 years of reading books, watching videos, getting lessons, etc, etc, etc.. you will finally understand what you are suppose to do when you take your lesson. Wow...

Stop practicing and just play for the next two weeks. Then after your lesson follow the advice from Scott.

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

Man, you need help! Hope Scott is on the way....SPF=randyg

i've never, ever had an instructor tell me:

"LOOK AT THE OBJECT BALL LAST - PERIOD!!!"

like many things in this world, this sounds like its one of those deals where everyone has an opinion. is The Lord going to return and rapture his followers away? some say absolutely with the conviction of their heart. others scoff at this rapture concept with the conviction of their heart.

so, i will keep an open mind, and my eyes wide open here, and see what happens regarding where i should be looking last.

DCP

 

[Scott Lee]

i've never, ever had an instructor tell me:

"LOOK AT THE OBJECT BALL LAST - PERIOD!!!"

like many things in this world, this sounds like its one of those deals where everyone has an opinion. is The Lord going to return and rapture his followers away? some say absolutely with the conviction of their heart. others scoff at this rapture concept with the conviction of their heart.

so, i will keep an open mind, and my eyes wide open here, and see what happens regarding where i should be looking last.

DCP

Nothing is absolute Mike. You look at the OB last when it is more important...CB last when it is more important. BTW, our philosophy comes from conversations with, and articles by eye doctors and sports psychologists. It's all about how the eyes work with the brain.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[gpeezy]

some shots

Some long shots,jacked up shots,jump shots, its sometimes if not always easier to mark the cue ball and focus on fundamentals to make the shot.Elevated shots are easier to make marking the cue ball.really long shots its key to focus on both but I may use cue ball hit most of the time.Not everyone is the same however.

 

[PROG8R]

OK, now I am confused.

Nothing is absolute Mike. You look at the OB last when it is more important...CB last when it is more important. www.poolknowledge.com

Right or wrong that ZIN Buddhist crap just confused the hell out of me.

 

[Scaramouche]

Man, you need help! Hope Scott is on the way....SPF=randyg

There are some instructors who say look at the object ball last.

They state that when you throw a dart you look at the dart board, not the the dart. They then make the analogy that the object ball is the target, and, therefore, you must look at it when you shoot. They allow exceptions from this rule for jump and masse shots.

One might take the position that the analogy is false.

The cue is the dart and the cue ball is the target. Unless you hit the cue ball exactly as you plan, nothing good will happen to the object ball. And there is no contradition with jump and masse shots.

 

[cubc]

I actually draw an imaginary line from the cb to ob and set up to shoot that way. English of course throws it off and I compensate.

- On regular shots I look at the OB last and look at the cueball to draw that line to the ob and when it looks right I shoot.

- On masse shots I look at the spot on the table I want the cueball to start to curve and that tells me how hard I need to hit it and my elevation so that's what I aim for.. the spot on the table I want the cueball to begin to curve and I shoot the same way as if the spot is an object ball, by drawing a line to it from the cueball.

- On jump shots I line up in advance and then jack up and look at the cueball last as thats the most important.

- On Kick shots I look at the spot behind the rail I'm aiming for and shoot through it lining up like the spot behind the rail is the OB.

- Special circumstances are for example if there are 2 balls and a tiny window the cue ball can fit through to hit the OB i'll shoot for the window between the balls instead.

That's the best way I can describe it.

 

[PoolBum]

Right or wrong that ZIN Buddhist crap just confused the hell out of me.

When you can snatch the cueball from my hand, then it will be time for you to play Grasshopper.

 

[CaptainHook]

What if Two blondes are in the fourth row? and what if one of them is Sandee Westgate, Playboy playmate? where do you look then?

 

[Scott Lee]

One might take the position that the analogy is false.

The cue is the dart and the cue ball is the target. Unless you hit the cue ball exactly as you plan, nothing good will happen to the object ball. And there is no contradition with jump and masse shots.

Absolutely right...that's why EYE PATTERN MOVEMENT is something that must be learned. When the eyes flit back and forth rapidly betwee the CB and OB (for some players 20+ times in rapid succession), the eyes cannot take in enough visual information for the brain to process, and provide feedback. You must focus on each object you need information on (CB & OB) long enough (2 second rule) for the brain to process and provide feedback, in the form of a muscle command. REM and overkill just confuses the brain.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[cubc]

What if Two blondes are in the fourth row? and what if one of the is Sandee Westgate, Playboy playmate? where do you look then?

at the other one who is Carmen Luvana

ok I'll edit mine and add the pic in like captainhook

 

[Scott Lee]

Right or wrong that ZIN Buddhist crap just confused the hell out of me.

PROG8R...OB last on most shots. CB last on kicks, jumps, masse's, jacked up,
shooting over another ball, and the break. Confusion abated!

BTW...I spent many years successfully playing and teaching CB last on all shots. Both ways can work, since it is a momentary transfer of eye movement. New information on how the eyes work with the brain convinced me to go back to OB last for most shots. Good instructors do not merely rely on old methods, but continually seek out higher education from many sources, and how best to communicate that to our students.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[WesleyW]

First of all, I read some bad examples of you guys.

Like this one from Snapshot9:
"Do you look at the road ahead or your steering wheel when driving?"

The steering would be your cue, not the CB. The road would be the CB not the OB. You want a car drive to a specific point (road), like you want the cue hit the specific point on the CB. The destination would be the OB. If you want to drive from New York to Michigan, you don't look at Michigan and drive. You look at the road, and the road will lead you safe to Michigan.

I can give you one good example why you want the CB be last. What would you prefer, when you are darting? Darting with 2 meter of distance or 20 meter of distance. It's far more easier to hit the target with 2 meter of distance. Why focus on the OB and visualizing to hit the OB with your tip, when you can focus on a more closer target?

 

[WesleyW]

PROG8R...OB last on most shots. CB last on kicks, jumps, masse's, jacked up,
shooting over another ball, and the break. Confusion abated!

BTW...I spent many years successfully playing and teaching CB last on all shots. Both ways can work, since it is a momentary transfer of eye movement. New information on how the eyes work with the brain convinced me to go back to OB last for most shots. Good instructors do not merely rely on old methods, but continually seek out higher education from many sources, and how best to communicate that to our students.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

That's because Pool is more forgiving when you don't hit it 100% right. Smaller tables and bigger pockets. When you playing snooker, it's far more better to watch the CB last. You should talk to some great snookerplayers and ask them how they aim. They will always tell you to look at the CB.

 

[Scott Lee]

WesleyW...We're not talking about snooker...we're talking about pool. Many things are different (eye pattern movement is NOT one of them). Many snooker players have no idea how to "screw" the CB. Alison Fisher could NOT draw her rock accurately at all (because she was taught by her snooker coaches NOT to finish her stroke), until she came through our pool school.

Try riding a motorcycle and look over in the ditch. You will end up in the ditch. Your cue goes where your eyes go, therefore, with a proper set and delivery process, coupled with the correct eye pattern movement, your cue will strike the CB exactly where you intend, and be projected directly at the OB, wherever you have aimed.

Like Oz says..."They don't know what they don't know!"

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[CaptainHook]

at the other one who is Carmen Luvana

ok I'll edit mine and add the pic in like captainhook

Nice

My original pic was outside the specs for posting, and I was in a hurry and did not get a chance to fix it when I posted, so I had to resize it and edit.

I like Carmen, I would look at her and miss the shot, what the hell I miss most of my shots anyway.

 

[PKM]

I've taken the advice to look at the object ball last, so I have no objection to that.

But I wonder, if you should be able to close your eyes and hit the ball correctly once you're set properly, then why is eye pattern considered so crucial?

 

[PKM]

delete double post

 

[WesleyW]

WesleyW...Try riding a motorcycle and look over in the ditch. You will end up in the ditch. Your cue goes where your eyes go, therefore, with a proper set and delivery process, coupled with the correct eye pattern movement, your cue will strike the CB exactly where you intend, and be projected directly at the OB, wherever you have aimed.

Like Oz says..."They don't know what they don't know!"

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Like I've said, why looking that far, when you don't have to? It's like using extreme english on the CB. If someone uses extreme english, and just watching the OB, how big is the chance you miscue? I surely believe watching the CB last will reduce miscueing when using extreme english. If you really think it doesn't matter, just do what you want, but I totally disagree with you.

If you agree with me, just telling me what is the reason why it miscue more often when you look at the OB.

 

[Scott Lee]

If you agree with me, just telling me what is the reason why it miscue more often when you look at the OB.

You don't...unless you have a poor stroke, or have not chalked your tip properly. I will agree that using extreme english must be done with care. You are using absolutes. One doesn't look EXCLUSIVELY at the OB. There is controlled eye pattern movement between the CB and OB. I'm just talking about where you look LAST before delivering the cuestick through the CB.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com