Where to see Cory Duel break that changed the rules?

Players need to stop whining about not shooting. Seriously. It is just part of our great game, and I don't hear any of them dishing out condolences when they relegate their opponent to the chair.

I would agree with this if I did not have higher aspirations for pool. Pool's structure matches numerous video games and not any legitimate sport that I am aware of. Watch me clear board after board in a video game. Watch me run rack after rack of pool. You sit. This is special for the guy playing but not for anyone else...not an opponent and not a spectator.
 
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Corey perfected what the Filipinos were working on. Remember their soft, side-rail, cut break? That's what brought out the break box for good.

Anyway, I used that break in the 95-99 time period on the barbox with great results.

It got where I could read the rack (straight/tilt left/tilt right, 1B high/low/center on spot, and gaps of course) and adjust CB position/speed to keep making corner balls.

I stopped playing barbox pool for a few years and stopped using the cut-break...it would take me a while to relearn what I knew.
 
soft break

The soft break is not new. But prior to the "Modern Era" with it's multiple tourneyments, good equipment & Siminous cloth. For the most part it was not very practicle. It is plainly evident that Corey mastered it & employed it to good use. The fact is most of his opponents had their opportunities, but failed to capitolise on them. At the end of the day he simply out played them...period. While it seems that his soft break gave him an advantage, his opponents had every opportunity to master & employ the same technique. I do not believe the rule change was implemented because it seemed unfair to the rest of the "Champion" level players. Rather that the interest of TV ratings & the money associated with that was the actual culprit. If it had been left in play the remaining players would have simply adapted & once again closed the gap. It is that way in all competitive venues.

Having said all that I will recall my 1st encounter with the soft break, which BTW I did not have the common sense to adapt to myself. Go figgure! :o In 1977 I was in EJ's pool hall 1204 S. Buckner Blvd. Dallas, Tx. I watched an unusuall player come in to play Steve Hines. At that time Steve was considered one of the best players in Dallas. He ran 163 in a 14.1 state tourneyment prior to that. The fellow that came is was right out of central casting for the next "Hustler" movie. I have never seen anything like him before or since. If there is anyone out ther who knows who I am referring to and knows his name, please let me know. I suffer from occassional bouts with CRS (can't remember Sh_t! :frown:) It was said he came out of San Antonio. I do not know if he actually was from there or that was his last previous roadstop. He came in with a gorgeous blonde under his right arm & a frigging gorilla on his left. He was dressed in the finest attire available. Itialian shoes, expensive dress suit complete with a top coat. The gorilla toof his top coat off hung it on the wall on a folding coat hanger. He did the same with the suit coat. He rolled the players sleeves up & I kid you not he sprinkled baby powder on his hands. I have never seen a world class player use baby powder since. He was giving Steve a very heavy spot. I believe it was the 6,7, & 8. playing 9 ballin what I believe was a race to 14 or 15. The road player used the afore mentioned soft break. He would only pocket 1 or 2 balls at most & he would simply & systematicly run out, rack after rack. Steve quit after he ran 12 racks in a row. Steve never got to chalk his cue. Studying the old players might not be a bad idea fellows. Anyway that's my bit on this subject. Good luck & good pool fellows. Billy Bones :thumbup:
 
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I would agree with this if I did not have higher aspirations for pool. Pool's structure matches numerous video games and not any legitimate sport that I am aware of. Watch me clear board after board in a video game. Watch me run rack after rack of pool. You sit. This is special for the guy playing but not for anyone else...not an opponent and not a spectator.

learn to lag.....

Just sayn, you could be the one running the racks.
 
I've been playing pool since I was 15 years old and this not allowing soft breaks was one of the biggest shots to the game. I just don't like that they don't allow it. Doesn't seem to be any reason for it, other than players got too consistent and pocketing balls on the break and keeping the cue ball in the center of the table.

Personally, I like that by practicing this skill they were able to mitigate the "luck" factor and focus on consistancy. I really don't think it's AT ALL more exciting to watch someone break the balls hard. Is anyone really impressed enough by a big break to say "I though pool was boring before, but that break shot, that's got me hooked?"
 
By the same token, I suppose it is wrong to shoot the opening break in 14.1 and 1P the way we do. It's cowardly.

Slow-rolling off the corner ball to barely jar the stack?!? PSSSH!!

Ticking the 1st & 2nd ball to push a few balls over toward my hole?!? PSSSH!!

Afterall, why would anyone want to shoot EVERY shot in pool with precision & control?
 
By the same token, I suppose it is wrong to shoot the opening break in 14.1 and 1P the way we do. It's cowardly.

Slow-rolling off the corner ball to barely jar the stack?!? PSSSH!!

Ticking the 1st & 2nd ball to push a few balls over toward my hole?!? PSSSH!!

Afterall, why would anyone want to shoot EVERY shot in pool with precision & control?


Yep :thumbup:

I just watched the practice running 8 racks posted earlier in the thread, that's absolutely beautiful. I've got to work on trying similar now.

I'd love to watch the whole 2001 us open 9 ball, I can't find it on youtube.

I want to strangle insidepoolmag for their PPV youtube stuff too, that'll really advance the sport...:rolleyes:
 
Yep :thumbup:

I just watched the practice running 8 racks posted earlier in the thread, that's absolutely beautiful. I've got to work on trying similar now.

I'd love to watch the whole 2001 us open 9 ball, I can't find it on youtube.

I want to strangle insidepoolmag for their PPV youtube stuff too, that'll really advance the sport...:rolleyes:

Here it is

http://translate.google.com/transla...p://www.probilliard.info/_misc/pool-video.php

Go under 9 ball tab and find "Dyuel vs. Immonen"- don't know why they spelled "Deuel" like that- but that is the match in its entirety
 
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Corey was playing supernaturally around the late 90s-early 2000s. He seemed so good that he was almost bored with the game, and took to playing more golf. Although he is a brilliant player he was on another planet then.

It seems like he is back to playing full time. I wish he would play at a more consistent level. He had 2 solid tournament results in the past year that I can recall- 2nd at the 9 ball US Open and 3rd in the 10 ball at Vegas. Sometimes, however, he loses to players he really should beat
 
I'm going to do a video showing what happens on Corey's break... the rack, the break, the way the balls spread and I think it will be interesting. I found some footage, now comes the time consuming part of editing it:smile:
 
I just finished watching that. Thanks again that was a great match to watch. I don't know who could say it's not enjoyable to watch someone win 11-0 or that those soft breaks aren't good for tv. Mika had plenty of chances. Plenty. Corey didn't just break and run and break and run the whole thing. It's just that aside from Corey being on that night and on the top of his game, nothing Mika did the whole match worked out for him period. Even when Corey messed up he got some good rolls. Snookered himself once and then came back with that 9 ball combo kick making both balls.. I didn't even see either ball as makeable. Damn! No luck there, that's talent recovering from that jam like that.

I know people often want things to go neck and neck right down to the wire for added tv drama, and that's one kind of entertainment factor of it's own but I think this is even better because it's so rare.

I'd have to honestly say that's one of the most enjoyable matches I've watched in a long time, and now that can't happen again because they've changed the rules.:rolleyes:
 
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Watch the entire 2001 US Open final against Mika. Many of the layouts were nearly identical after Deuels's break. In one game he made 4? balls with a super soft break. A genuine exhibition. And Mika was the reigning WPT champ and relegated to being a spectator.

Also watch the Deuel v Souquet match the same year. Duel's control of the table caused the usually unflappable Ralf to lose it mentally. At one point Ralf had a short straight in where he wanted to draw the cue ball 6" to a foot; he drew it 4 feet.

Corey was amazing for two or three year period.

I can't find the duel souquet match you're talking about. I'd love to see it, Ralph pisses me off as a spectator with how slow he can play and I'd love to see that snail loose his patience. He tests everyone elses...
 
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I can't find the duel souquet match you're talking about. I'd love to see it, Ralph pisses me off as a spectator with how slow he can play and I'd love to see that snail loose his patience. He tests everyone elses...

It is Accu Stats 269B-13. Thank you Pat Fleming.
 
Corey was amazing for two or three year period.

2002 or 2003- Cory walks into the poolroom after midnight during a Viking Tour tourney and hadn't hit a ball for 3-4 days. He goes to the tight Gold Crown (4-1/4" pockets) with somewhat old cloth and racks the full rack to practice rotation. Timmy Heath barks to bet twenty that he doesn't break and run out.

Cory obliges- breaks and runs 15
Timmy says play the 12 ball ghost- Cory breaks and runs out
Timmy says do it again- Cory breaks and runs out
Timmy says do it again- Cory breaks and runs out
13 ball ghost- Cory breaks and runs out
Timmy says one more full rack and I'm done- Cory breaks and runs out

Cory puts his cue away.... There is so much sick sh*t I seen during that period that there is no doubt in my mind he is the best that has ever lived...

Putting three packs on the full rack ghost was commonplace....

We would practice playing kiss, caroms, and banks 9-ball. I would sit in the chair a lot while he was running 3 and sometimes 4 packs.... Playing a kiss, carom, or bank on every shot, in rotation.

One time he was lining three balls up in a straight row on the foot spot, like they were being spotted playing one pocket. He would take ball in hand in the kitchen and shot it over and over for 45 minutes. There were four or five pros watching him and finally they asked what he was doing. He said he was trying to figure out how to make one of the balls.... They laughed at him. 45 minutes later he was either making the ball or leaving it in the jaws every single time.....

He's a very sick man.....
 
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