Where's the outcry!?

gulfportdoc

gulfportdoc

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Haven't heard much mention of the audience's rude and poor sportsmanlike conduct over the correct call by the referees on Bustamante's bad hit. If the same thing had happened in the U.S. after a call had gone against an American player during a match with a foreigner, there would be thread after thread of people bashing the spoiled, ugly Americans...:rolleyes:

Doc
 
Outcry exactly from who? From the British, I think they should. If they don't wanna go into that level, should you and I complain?

And besides, your sentiment is more telling about the reputation of America from the outside perspective as oppose to the reputation of the Philippines.
 
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That was just a normal and expected reaction from the audience. Actually, I expected much more. If you would look at the forums, majority of the Filipino posters consider it a foul and agree the referee's decision. What would you expect? That the audience would applaud and cheer when their countryman committed the foul? You and I have the benefit of seeing the slow motion replays. I doubt if that luxury is available to the spectators. It is indeed a very close call. I expect the same reaction or worse if it was for example SVB in the same situation and the match was held here in the States. The audience settled down after that happened. You could even hear them applauding Karl Boyes who was a good sport during his match against Gomez.
 
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gulfportdoc said:
Haven't heard much mention of the audience's rude and poor sportsmanlike conduct over the correct call by the referees on Bustamante's bad hit. If the same thing had happened in the U.S. after a call had gone against an American player during a match with a foreigner, there would be thread after thread of people bashing the spoiled, ugly Americans...:rolleyes:

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I think there was much confusion at the time. After Bustamante had hit the game winning shot, Nigel Rees didn't immediately call a foul. But tried quieting down the crowd (to little success) as he wanted to review the shot. Eventually the crowd quieted down as they watched Nigel view the monitors.

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The monitors themselves didn't afford the crowd the best view possible. I doubt they could have seen it clearly from where they were.

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At least Rees called for Overbeck and Mikaela Tabb to have an extra pair of eyes to review.

The crowd's reaction was varied. Apart from trying to influence the decision with comments like "the foul wasn't called on the spot..." to hurling derogatory remarks in Tagalog, it was more like a few angry people showing their displeasure. The majority of the crowd accepted the decision.

This may sound a bit cliche, but it was a case of a few bad apples...
 
Is that why Michaela had to give a good talk to the crowd during a commercial break during the final. :rolleyes:

I know the home support should following their player but some of the reactions was totally ridiculous. Applauding when the other guy makes a mistake/mis fortunate. You get that everywhere i suppose but still i would have thought deep down the true pool lover admires and applauds good play regardless of that person's country.

From what i seen from the tv hardly any of the locals bothered to watch non-Filipino matches throughout the tournament. Says it all tbh
The semis between Mika Immonen vs Vilmos Foldes comes to mind

Nice to see the likes of Corey and Ralf etc in the crowd in the final.
 
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Is that why Michaela had to give a good talk to the crowd during a commercial break during the final. :rolleyes:

I know the home support should following their player but some of the reactions was totally ridiculous. Applauding when the other guy makes a mistake/mis fortunate. You get that everywhere i suppose but still i would have thought deep down the true pool lover admires and applauds good play regardless of that person's country.

From what i seen from the tv hardly any of the locals bothered to watch non-Filipino matches throughout the tournament. Says it all tbh
The semis between Mika Immonen vs Vilmos Foldes comes to mind

Nice to see the likes of Corey and Ralf etc in the crowd in the final.
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Its normal, in the tennis usa open, federer had to deal with crowd noise during his serve, but in the end fans still cheer for him.
 
I don't think we need any outcry.

It's natural for the home crowd to be partisan (look at the crowd in UK venues during the Mosconi Cup) and all too easy to get a little carried away when backing your own man. I don't really blame the crowd at all - in fact I am delighted they take the game to their hearts and turn out in numbers to watch. That certainly doesn't happen in the UK.

I am a little disappointed in Bustamante. He must have known he had fouled, so why make such a big deal out of it - hold your hands up, accept your mistake and take your medicine. I think that is the one aspect of pool that some of us find difficult to deal with having come from snooker or UK Pool where players are almost always quick to own up to fouls and don't really see 'sharking' as acceptable. It's just a difference in how we were all brought up playing the game I suppose.

I'm all for keeping the tournament in the Phillippines - a country where the game appears to be a real national sport and above all these people love their pool. In the UK the game is very much a minority sport - I do hope Daryl Peach's victory will lift its profile, but I have my doubts.
 
gulfportdoc said:
Haven't heard much mention of the audience's rude and poor sportsmanlike conduct over the correct call by the referees on Bustamante's bad hit. If the same thing had happened in the U.S. after a call had gone against an American player during a match with a foreigner, there would be thread after thread of people bashing the spoiled, ugly Americans...:rolleyes:

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You're right, there should have been more of an outcry, especially from the Filipino posters. I tried to do my part calling attention to it here, but I guess it got swamped out in that ginormous thread.

However, I did mention in a later post that the crowd redeemed itself during Daryl's acceptance speech. It seemed the crowd truly appreciated and embraced the victor, regardless of his nationality.

Going back to the Busta controversy, although I agree the crowd (or at least the more vocal and loud members of the crowd) did act unsportsmanlike, you just can't expect too much from such a passionate crowd concerning one of their heroes. What was really disappointing for me was Bustamante's reaction and attitude throughout the entire ordeal. It was less than professional, and very unlike his character and reputation. Hopefully, Busta eventually apologized to Nigel and Daryl about his ungraceful demeanor after his emotions had time to simmer down.
 
Man what is your problem? Have you never been to a NASCAR event when there is controversy or Race track when a horse is fouled out. Fans in the US can get maniacal too. There is always some sour grapes particularly where there is gambling involved. But why put that on a nation. And as for the Brits who think they are so prim and proper when it comes to snooker have you ever been to a soccer or football match? Bustamante needs to make no apology to your dumb asses. Look at Earl and how he attacks everyone and everything. Have we ever heard an apology for his fascistic behaviour? No people just say Earl is Earl. His reaction to conditions, to fans, and to other races has been a standard for those who can point to ugliness.

Bustamante is a shining example of what a sportsman should be. He is a wonderful soul as well as cueist. He is a human and his disappointment is only caused by his passion. He didnt unravel his cue and leave the room because of what he feels is injustice. How many times have we seen in replays in other sports where the ref was wrong but his ruling stood. THere is no need for an outcry about Filipino behaviour. Judge not lest ye be judged!
 
yobagua said:
Look at Earl and how he attacks everyone and everything. Have we ever heard an apology for his fascistic behaviour? No people just say Earl is Earl. His reaction to conditions, to fans, and to other races has been a standard for those who can point to ugliness.

Bustamante is a shining example of what a sportsman should be. He is a wonderful soul as well as cueist. He is a human and his disappointment is only caused by his passion. He didnt unravel his cue and leave the room because of what he feels is injustice. How many times have we seen in replays in other sports where the ref was wrong but his ruling stood. THere is no need for an outcry about Filipino behaviour. Judge not lest ye be judged!
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Although i am not agreeing with a outcry, i do believe that the fans imo made it very difficult for both home and away players alike.

The point i think most is that Bustamante from the very start of the match was out of character even before the bad hit. He wanted to win so bad and again imo was so fearful of losing that he was looking out of sorts and complaining at the littlest thing from the start, is this the Bustamante we have come to know and admire? Again it understandable as at the end of the day he is human so we all have our good and bad days. So i think their absolutely no need to go any further about his behavior

Your point in Earl is a good point but at theend of the day "Earl can be Earl" but "Bustamante isn't normally a Earl" and that was the surprising thing for me. How much did he act or was he starting to head the same direction of Earl. :(
 
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yobagua said:
Man what is your problem? Have you never been to a NASCAR event when there is controversy or Race track when a horse is fouled out. Fans in the US can get maniacal too. There is always some sour grapes particularly where there is gambling involved. But why put that on a nation. And as for the Brits who think they are so prim and proper when it comes to snooker have you ever been to a soccer or football match? Bustamante needs to make no apology to your dumb asses. Look at Earl and how he attacks everyone and everything. Have we ever heard an apology for his fascistic behaviour? No people just say Earl is Earl. His reaction to conditions, to fans, and to other races has been a standard for those who can point to ugliness.

Bustamante is a shining example of what a sportsman should be. He is a wonderful soul as well as cueist. He is a human and his disappointment is only caused by his passion. He didnt unravel his cue and leave the room because of what he feels is injustice. How many times have we seen in replays in other sports where the ref was wrong but his ruling stood. THere is no need for an outcry about Filipino behaviour. Judge not lest ye be judged!
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Calm down. For your information, I'm 100% ethnically Filipino (though, born and raised in the states). I almost always root for the Filipino player, even if it's against an American. But I spotted unsportsmanlike behavior, and I'm going to call it out. If that means calling out "my own people", then so be it. I'd do the same for an American crowd, or an English crowd.

Also, I love Bustamante. He has always been one of my all time favorite players. If you've been reading the big WPC thread closely, I've been rooting for him the whole way. And yes, I wanted him to clobber Peach! Django has always been the consummate professional and an overall good guy. If you've shown such class and professionalism to the world for years as Busty has done, it is easy to have such high expectations for your behavior and attitude. That's exactly why I was disappointed in Busty's reaction and demeanor throughout the whole fiasco, because it was so unlike his character. Does that mean I think Busty is a bad person? No. I just feel the emotions got the best of him, and I'm sure he feel the same way.
 
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Kyo said:
Although i am not agreeing with a outcry, i do believe that the fans imo made it very difficult for both home and away players alike.

The point i think most is that Bustamante from the very start of the match was out of character even before the bad hit. He wanted to win so bad and again imo was so fearful of losing that he was looking out of sorts and complaining at the littlest thing from the start, is this the Bustamante we have come to know and admire? Again it understandable as at the end of the day he is human so we all have our good and bad days. So i think their absolutely no need to go any further about his behavior

Your point in Earl is a good point but at theend of the day "Earl can be Earl" but "Bustamante isn't normally a Earl" and that was the surprising thing for me. How much did he act or was he starting to head the same direction of Earl. :(
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I agree 100% with your post.
 
The standard you set for Bustamante is high so when he reacts like a normal human being at a loss you get disappointed. So in reverse when Earl acts like a gentleman are you amazed of his character. So then why not act like an ass generally so that when you do behave properly in the right situations people will praise you.
Are these expectations by the way that you have for Bustamante ones that you have for yourself and your kind. Have you suffered not only professional loss but personal ones as well and been able to act in a heroic manner? I say Busty is a human and need no excuse for his behaviour. He has always been a kind and fair person to me.
 
yobagua said:
The standard you set for Bustamante is high so when he reacts like a normal human being at a loss you get disappointed. So in reverse when Earl acts like a gentleman are you amazed of his character. So then why not act like an ass generally so that when you do behave properly in the right situations people will praise you.
Are these expectations by the way that you have for Bustamante ones that you have for yourself and your kind. Have you suffered not only professional loss but personal ones as well and been able to act in a heroic manner? I say Busty is a human and need no excuse for his behaviour. He has always been a kind and fair person to me.
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If you bothered to read the other posts most have agreed so there absolutely no need to go further on about Bustamante. :rolleyes:
 
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