Which country has the best pool players?

And just lost in the Spain Open ,,, Facts are Facts … Derby City doesn’t have no real top tier players at all anymore …
Sky has won a bronze medal in each of the last two Matchroom events. Few have ever medaled in consecutive Matchroom majors.

At the 2021 Derby City Classic, Lee Van Corteza beat Josh Filler in the 9-ball final., At the 2022 Derby City Classic, FSR beat Josh Filler in the 9-ball final. In the 2023 Derby City Classic, Fedor Gorst beat SVB in the 9-ball final. When Sky won the 9-ball, he beat Dennis Orcullo and James Aranas to win the title. I'm wondering what your definition of a top tier player is.
 
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2 tournaments over that long of a career does not make a champion.

neither does it make him "average", which i replied to. he's an elite pro by any measure, and going by form right now he's looking better than a lot of top tier pros. including shane, albin etc.

the 9-ball tour is still building up, but on tough tables and with these break rules i think sky will continue to do well.
 
Come and spend a week in the Philippines bouncing around to the little pool halls and to a few of the nicer places in Manila and I bet the naysayers would change your mind.

Another sport that Filipinos will amaze you is basketball, if they had a 6' and under league i would bet the Philippines could definitely compete way up there. Again, it's another sport that's available everywhere, is generally free to play so it's a no brainer for them to play well.

Maybe i am biased as a foreigner living in the land of legends for many years but I think the comment earlier about the # of 800 Fargo scores speaks volumes.
I saw Fedor on Joe Rogan show, he said he went to the islands, he was 15 and playing great and he lost to the bartender, he said the guy put 2 packs on him.
 
And I'm not betting a dime on Hall or Styer
Some of Euro stars might not like Hall in banks or 1pocket. There is more in the pool world than rotation games. Quit dogging the US players, give them the support systems that other countries have and it would be different, we treat this the same as we do schools, police and fire departments, everyone wants great but nobody wants to pay for it.
 
I saw Fedor on Joe Rogan show, he said he went to the islands, he was 15 and playing great and he lost to the bartender, he said the guy put 2 packs on him.
Yes, and at 14, he took Alex Pagulayan to the double hill at the Derby City 9-ball with near perfect play. As you suggest, there are some amazing players out there with whom we are completely unfamiliar.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that there are over 5,000 players in the world that play 700+ Fargo speed or higher.
 
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If you rate the top ten from each country I think we lose to a few countries. But if you put the top 100 from each country to play our top 100 I think USA wins.
 
Some of Euro stars might not like Hall in banks or 1pocket. There is more in the pool world than rotation games. Quit dogging the US players, give them the support systems that other countries have and it would be different, we treat this the same as we do schools, police and fire departments, everyone wants great but nobody wants to pay for it.
I'd bet he wouldn't like playing those Champs in ANY game, and I don't have to support shit!
 
Yes, and at 14, he took Alex Pagulayan to the double hill at the Derby City 9-ball with near perfect play. ...
Gorst beat Pagulayan at the 2016 DCC 9-Ball, and wound up in 11th/16th place. That was the year SVB beat Pagulayan in the finals (but Alex won Master of the Table, his second in a row). Gorst was 15 then, and it might have been his first DCC.
 
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Gorst beat Pagulayan at the 2016 DCC 9-Ball, and wound up in 11th/16th place. That was the year SVB beat Pagulayan in the finals (but Alex won Master of the Table). Gorst was 15 then, and it might have been his first DCC.
Yes, that makes sense. I was ringside for that one, which was played on an outer table at the Horseshoe, and absolutely none of us had ever even heard of Gorst. He got our attention pretty quickly with near perfect play when he ran out to a 7-4 lead, but Alex caught him to win 9-8.
 
Yes, that makes sense. I was ringside for that one, which was played on an outer table at the Horseshoe, and absolutely none of us had ever even heard of Gorst. He got our attention pretty quickly with near perfect play when he ran out to a 7-4 lead, but Alex caught him to win 9-8.
Some of us knew about him, I was betting on him back then
 
Gorst beat Pagulayan at the 2016 DCC 9-Ball, and wound up in 11th/16th place. That was the year SVB beat Pagulayan in the finals (but Alex won Master of the Table, his second in a row). Gorst was 15 then, and it might have been his first DCC.
Also at 15 he beat Nick Van den Berg in Dutch Open (October 2015) and Darren Appleton & Nick Malai at Hellas Open in Greece (May 2016). At 14--more than a year before that DCC-- he beat Mario He at Eurotour Treviso (Dec 2014).
 
Also at 15 he beat Nick Van den Berg in Dutch Open (October 2015) and Darren Appleton & Nick Malai at Hellas Open in Greece (May 2016). At 14--more than a year before that DCC-- he beat Mario He at Eurotour Treviso (Dec 2014).
With occasional exception, I didn't follow Euro-tour back then and I don't follow it now, so I was unaware of these results. I'm not surprised, though, given the player he's become.
 
Ok here’s a question, how much does the US drinking age (and thus bar entry age) factor into the US slipping in pool? Our legal drinking age is notably higher (and far more enforced) than just about anywhere, and most pool tables in the country are inadvertently bound by that same standard for liability reasons. In a country of 350 million people, given our relatively low population density and other spending habits, there may be 200 million that wouldn’t have realistic access to a pool table until their 21st birthday, which is far to late to pick up a cue and turn pro these days.

Our two best rotation players: SVB and Woodward, are rural based players who come from the areas of the country which wouldn’t give a f*** about a 14 year old being in a pool room at age 14 playing against adults - at least in the pre social media days. But NYC, CHI, and our other major population centers would be forced to segregate solely off alcohol access issues even 30 years ago.

Pool as a business seems far more viable in the urban centers, but does the need for the liquor license sacrifice US pool as a whole with the result being the top end US pool players are only taken from a very rural talent base in the areas of the country where bar owners are personally friends with the Sheriff?
 
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Ok here’s a question, how much does the US drinking age (and thus bar entry age) factor into the US slipping in pool? Our legal drinking age is notably higher (and far more enforced) than just about anywhere, and most pool tables in the country are inadvertently bound by that same standard for liability reasons. In a country of 350 million people, given our relatively low population density and other spending habits, there may be 200 million that wouldn’t have realistic access to a pool table until their 21st birthday, which is far to late to pick up a cue and turn pro these days.

Our two best rotation players: SVB and Woodward, are rural based players who come from the areas of the country which wouldn’t give a f*** about a 14 year old being in a pool room at age 14 playing against adults - at least in the pre social media days. But NYC, CHI, and our other major population centers would be forced to segregate solely off alcohol access issues even 30 years ago.

Pool as a business seems far more viable in the urban centers, but does the need for the liquor license sacrifice US pool as a whole with the result being the top end US pool players are only taken from a very rural talent base in the areas of the country where bar owners are personally friends with the Sheriff?
Very interesting post. Very hard to measure the extent to which this has figured in the decline in American pool.
 
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