which league rules are these?

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gxman

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I've just started back playing after a ten yr lapse. Played 8ball with this mid 40s guy for a second time now.

I have a couple balls left. Him just the 8 ball. He shoots and scratches the cb. He says my turn to shoot. I thought that is an auto loss for him, but he said its my turn to shoot bih.

2. he's in a jam. Shoots and hit my ball first but he said he called safety. then said i dont get bih b/c he called safety.

Also just call the pocket. It doesnt matter if its a clean hit or it bounces off an opponent's ball.

Which league rules is this guy playing?

Thanks.
 
gxman said:
I've just started back playing after a ten yr lapse. Played 8ball with this mid 40s guy for a second time now.

I have a couple balls left. Him just the 8 ball. He shoots and scratches the cb. He says my turn to shoot. I thought that is an auto loss for him, but he said its my turn to shoot bih.

2. he's in a jam. Shoots and hit my ball first but he said he called safety. then said i dont get bih b/c he called safety.

Also just call the pocket. It doesnt matter if its a clean hit or it bounces off an opponent's ball.

Which league rules is this guy playing?

Thanks.
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Whatever works for him at the time...?

Sounds like BCA/ACS except for the safety.
 
gxman said:
I've just started back playing after a ten yr lapse. Played 8ball with this mid 40s guy for a second time now.

I have a couple balls left. Him just the 8 ball. He shoots and scratches the cb. He says my turn to shoot. I thought that is an auto loss for him, but he said its my turn to shoot bih.

2. he's in a jam. Shoots and hit my ball first but he said he called safety. then said i dont get bih b/c he called safety.

Also just call the pocket. It doesnt matter if its a clean hit or it bounces off an opponent's ball.

Which league rules is this guy playing?

Thanks.
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# 2 you can't do in ANY league, he hit the wrong ball first, no matter if safety is called or not. I guess in a bar rule thing where people play with made up rules on the spot that can pass.

# 1, in some leagues you only loose on an 8 ball scratch if the 8 ball drops. If you foul (don't hit the 8, or cue ball goes in the hole) and the 8 ball is on the table, it's not a loss. I don't know exact rules in all of them, I think APA you lose if you scratch on the 8 even if it stays up. In the BCA/USA leagues it's a normal ball in hand on a foul if the 8 ball does not drop.

The call only pocket is just a real pool rule, the "call everything that the ball may touch on the way" is random bar rules that no real league has. Also had nothing much to do with a league, only people that don't actually know the rules to the game play when you have to call everything that the ball touches on way to pocket. In real rules, you just call ball and pocket.

If you are not actually playing in a league with him, I suggest you both read the BCA or WPA rules of 8 ball and play by those.
 
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gxman said:
I've just started back playing after a ten yr lapse. Played 8ball with this mid 40s guy for a second time now.

I have a couple balls left. Him just the 8 ball. He shoots and scratches the cb. He says my turn to shoot. I thought that is an auto loss for him, but he said its my turn to shoot bih.

2. he's in a jam. Shoots and hit my ball first but he said he called safety. then said i dont get bih b/c he called safety.

Also just call the pocket. It doesnt matter if its a clean hit or it bounces off an opponent's ball.

Which league rules is this guy playing?

Thanks.
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In many leagues it is no longer a loss of game to scratch when playing the 8 as long as you haven't made it. No league plays "call everything, even the little nicks and pocket facings." All leagues play "call pocket" for the shots that have to be called. No league says it's OK to hit an opponent's ball first.

Here are the World Standardized Rules (yes, there is such a thing) for eight ball: http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/the_rules_of_play (and other games). You may also want to look over the BCAPL rules which are based on the WSR but with more explanation and modifications for league play: http://www.playbca.com/Downloads/Rulebook/CompleteRulebook.aspx
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. This guy uses a meucci cue and his own black master chalk and leaves it on the table. A couple of times i picked it up by accident b/c it was facing down and started to chalk, guy about to have a stroke on me. I did beat him 10-9 yesterday.

I've never played in league so not sure what goes on. Have skimmed thru the rules though. I'll read thru the rules again.
 
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I'm curious why you think those are league rules. Did the guy say, "this is how we play in league"? In addition to the various league organizations (APA, NAPA, VNEA, TAP, BCAPL) there are independent house leagues which may have defined their own rules based on the druthers of the organizer.
 
When I first met him a couple of weeks ago, before we started shooting, he did ask what rules we would be playing with. I said it doesn't matter, b/c I didn't know any of the organizations nor knew what rules each had. I think he did mention BCA.

Growing up, my brothers had a table and I shot daily in college. We just always played scratching with the 8 ball still on the table is an auto loss, call your pockets and no slop.

Thanks again. I'll review the rules.
 
gxman said:
When I first met him a couple of weeks ago, before we started shooting, he did ask what rules we would be playing with. I said it doesn't matter, b/c I didn't know any of the organizations nor knew what rules each had. I think he did mention BCA.

Growing up, my brothers had a table and I shot daily in college. We just always played scratching with the 8 ball still on the table is an auto loss, call your pockets and no slop.

Thanks again. I'll review the rules.
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No slop meaning what though? Regular 8 ball rules have called pocket in them, that is what most people call "no slop". Calling the ball rubbing on the rail or caroming off another ball as a miss is not part of the called shot rules in any true rule book. You'll see that stuff in bars and from people that never learned the rules aside from overhearing them from someone else that also never learned the rules hehe.

If he said he was playing by BCA rules, he's still wrong on half the rules you asked about, you can only contact your own group first on a hit, not the 8 and not the other group. Saying it's a safe does not matter. You may as well call a safe, pocket the cue ball and say the other guy has to shoot from inside the pocket because he called a "safe" so it's not a foul.
 
krupa said:
I'm curious why you think those are league rules. Did the guy say, "this is how we play in league"? In addition to the various league organizations (APA, NAPA, VNEA, TAP, BCAPL) there are independent house leagues which may have defined their own rules based on the druthers of the organizer.
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I used to play in a local league that had the rule: "no safety play." The better players actually followed the rule. The league was scratch play so it was amusing to play against a 3-equivalent with them playing "oops, I missed, sorry I left you safe" shots.
 
Sounds like you got scammed.

The next time you get some seemingly screwy explanation, ask to see the written rules. :grin-square:
 
Wouldn't a great safety be much easier if you could hit your opponents balls first.

I called a safety so all is fair in love and pool.

Should have asked him if he lives in a log cabin because he played a Bush League rule on ya there.
 
Sounds like

gxman said:
I've just started back playing after a ten yr lapse. Played 8ball with this mid 40s guy for a second time now.

I have a couple balls left. Him just the 8 ball. He shoots and scratches the cb. He says my turn to shoot. I thought that is an auto loss for him, but he said its my turn to shoot bih.

2. he's in a jam. Shoots and hit my ball first but he said he called safety. then said i dont get bih b/c he called safety.

Also just call the pocket. It doesnt matter if its a clean hit or it bounces off an opponent's ball.

Which league rules is this guy playing?

Thanks.
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some whacked out coonass rules!! Where are you out of or near? I've heard some of the small bars in South Louisiana still play by the old Busch Pool League Rules from 40 years ago!! Welcome to AZ and you will find a large group of knowledgeable people. Heck, you got Bob Jewett to answer your query!!! He helped write the dang pool rule book!!

cajunfats
 
In VNEA scratch on the 8ball is ball-in-hand (as long as the 8-Ball didn't drop). VNEA is also call your pocket...only. Doesn't matter if it hits 8 ball and all rails beforehand. Also, you can call a safe and make your object ball - which is legal. But its always ALWAYS hit your object ball first. That guys was extra-special! lol
 
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