Which Presidential Candidate Best For Pool

[mantis99]

Wow, lots that could be spoken of.
I believe the actual point of the second amendment was to give the people the ability to arm themselves so no government could hold military power over them. In general that meant any gun was legal. Of course things have changed in what is available since then, so that creates come grey area. Law abiding citizens do not cause problems with any type of guns, it is criminals that do, and somehow they already seem to have the automatic weapons. That could be looked at from different points of view, and each persons own beliefs will determine which way they look at it.

This thread has turned into every other political argument which is why I originally said that it was NOT a good thread for the forum. Those that have conservative opinions look at each issue one way, and those with liberal opinions the other, and they each see the facts, or lack thereof as they want to.

In my opinion, we as citizens do not have the knowledge required to make an educated decision regarding the Iraq scenario because we do not know just what is oging on, and most of that is stuff we should not know, so I reserve judgement on that.

Besides that, we each have, and are entitled to our own opinions regarding the candidates and the issues. Unfortunately, many people see whatever "their" parties candidate says as correct because they listen with such a bias. Our country is at polar opposites regarding the general issues, which causes them to be more heated than ever, and the losers more disdained.

Part of the problem with the current candidates (except McCain) is that they are on the more extreme side of their parties beliefs. Obama and Clinton are VERY liberal, and Romney is very conservative. McCain on the other hand is almost not conservative enough for most republicans.

What background about Obama is questionable? I don't know. Maybe his lack of time in office and the questions raised regarding his militant muslim upbringing (rumor thus far, but enough to be worry some). I think he is scarry because he is a good speaker, but it is hard to tell if there is anything else there.

 

[jay helfert]

That's very interesting. So I suppose when he felt the heat he saw the light...

No way could I ever vote for him...

It's your vote. Use it for whoever you want. As long as you vote, that's fine with me.

 

[mantis99]

I believe that it has been medically established that a baby is a viable human at 14 wks.

I hate to enter this debate on this forum, but I really do find it interesting that someone who murders a pregnant woman at any point during her pregnancy is tried for 2 murders, but abortion is OK until the baby is a viable human. What happened to being responsible in the first place. Everyone knows the possible consequences of intercourse before they do it. Because of that, I would suggest that all women do have a choice, it is just made before they engage in intercourse. I do understand that there are cases of forced intercourse, but that is for another discussion.

We certainly will not change each others minds on this forum. As I said before, we are each entitled to our own, and should repect each others opinions. We each get to express our own with a vote on election day. The important thing, in my opinion, is to be an informed voter. Know each candidates stands, watch the debates, and don't vote blindly.

 

[jay helfert]

Wow, lots that could be spoken of.
I believe the actual point of the second amendment was to give the people the ability to arm themselves so no government could hold military power over them. In general that meant any gun was legal. Of course things have changed in what is available since then, so that creates come grey area. Law abiding citizens do not cause problems with any type of guns, it is criminals that do, and somehow they already seem to have the automatic weapons. That could be looked at from different points of view, and each persons own beliefs will determine which way they look at it.

This thread has turned into every other political argument which is why I originally said that it was NOT a good thread for the forum. Those that have conservative opinions look at each issue one way, and those with liberal opinions the other, and they each see the facts, or lack thereof as they want to.

In my opinion, we as citizens do not have the knowledge required to make an educated decision regarding the Iraq scenario because we do not know just what is oging on, and most of that is stuff we should not know, so I reserve judgement on that.

Besides that, we each have, and are entitled to our own opinions regarding the candidates and the issues. Unfortunately, many people see whatever "their" parties candidate says as correct because they listen with such a bias. Our country is at polar opposites regarding the general issues, which causes them to be more heated than ever, and the losers more disdained.

Part of the problem with the current candidates (except McCain) is that they are on the more extreme side of their parties beliefs. Obama and Clinton are VERY liberal, and Romney is very conservative. McCain on the other hand is almost not conservative enough for most republicans.

What background about Obama is questionable? I don't know. Maybe his lack of time in office and the questions raised regarding his militant muslim upbringing (rumor thus far, but enough to be worry some). I think he is scarry because he is a good speaker, but it is hard to tell if there is anything else there.

Thanks for this well reasoned post. You got me at the end though, when you said he was "scary" because he was a good speaker. Why does that make him scary? Better we should have another nincompoop like GW who can barely put two coherent sentences together.

 

[Flex]

It's your vote. Use it for whoever you want. As long as you vote, that's fine with me.

Thanks, Jay. I did vote. And although I live in the Chicago area, where reportedly people vote early and often, sometimes even for those who are dead, I voted once.

Cheers!

 

[Flex]

Thanks for this well reasoned post. You got me at the end though, when you said he was "scary" because he was a good speaker. Why does that make him scary? Better we should have another nincompoop like GW who can barely put two coherent sentences together.

Actually, Jay, W is quite an eloquent speaker, when he wants to be.

Early on in his first term, someone put the kabosh on his fluid, smooth, long and beautiful sentences, apparently saying he was starting to sound like Clinton, not in substance, but in style.

That did it. We got cowboy speak now.

 

[daniel]

I've never been so ashamed to be an American as the last years with Bush. The guy is going to go down in history as the worst of the worst. His resemblance to Alfred E. Neuman is uncanny. Hillary or Obama will work & the two paired up will get the cheese. I'm sure Bill C. has story or two of the small town poolrooms which were always in a back street downtown. I'm 60 now & remember when America was a good place to be from. Lets get back there.

 

[mantis99]

My comment regarding him being scary is because I think some people will vote for him just because he is a charismatic speaker, and not because of the issues. A good salesman can seem like your best friend while they rip you off. Obama has the ability to speak that well, and I am not sure that he is what he appears. He does not have a track record yet that can be disected well enough to draw good conclusions on him. We really don't know that much about him. One popular speech and a LOT of press from Oprah, and all of a sudden we have a front running presidential candidate. I live in Illinois where he is a senator, and I am not yet convinced of his sincerity. I will admit that I personally disagree withhis view points, but that is not where I am coming from. I simply think that is too much to be know of him yet, and some people will find him endearing enough to vote for him based on his speaking abilities. I find that to be "scary".

 

[jay helfert]

Actually, Jay, W is quite an eloquent speaker, when he wants to be.

Early on in his first term, someone put the kabosh on his fluid, smooth, long and beautiful sentences, apparently saying he was starting to sound like Clinton, not in substance, but in style.

That did it. We got cowboy speak now.

I'd like to have a dollar for every word he mispronounced and every word he used incorrectly. And he used the same trite lines to describe his foreign policy and military strategies over and over. "Bring 'em on" is one gem that comes to mind. He had sound bites for speeches. Let's face it, we have a fool for a President.

And I would tell him the same thing to his face if I ever met him. "You sir are a FOOL!" And a dangerous one at that. Not you Flex, him.

 

[Flex]

I've never been so ashamed to be an American as the last years with Bush. The guy is going to go down in history as the worst of the worst. His resemblance to Alfred E. Neuman is uncanny. Hillary or Obama will work & the two paired up will get the cheese. I'm sure Bill C. has story or two of the small town poolrooms which were always in a back street downtown. I'm 60 now & remember when America was a good place to be from. Lets get back there.

I'm proud to be an American! God bless the USA!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EOc6wv9s1wA

Listen to that... wow.... I love it...

Flex

 

[Flex]

I'd like to have a dollar for every word he mispronounced and every word he used incorrectly. And he used the same trite lines to describe his foreign policy and military strategies over and over. "Bring 'em on" is one gem that comes to mind. He had sound bites for speeches. Let's face it, we have a fool for a President.

And I would tell him the same thing to his face if I ever met him. "You sir are a FOOL!" And a dangerous one at that. Not you Flex, him.

Thanks, Jay.

Actually, by repeating lines such as "Bring 'em on" he follows in the venerable tradition of President Kennedy, "Moving forward...." and so on.

Also, repetition is one of the most powerful didactic and rhetorical devices.

I kind of like his "Bushisms"... not all of them, of course, but some really do resonate with me.

 

[jay helfert]

Thanks, Jay.

Actually, by repeating lines such as "Bring 'em on" he follows in the venerable tradition of President Kennedy, "Moving forward...." and so on.

Also, repetition is one of the most powerful didactic and rhetorical devices.

I kind of like his "Bushisms"... not all of them, of course, but some really do resonate with me.

I like you buddy, but please don't mention JFK and GWB in the same breath. One was a great man and a great leader of men. The other totally undistinguished, and certain of his place in history as an aberration on the Presidency.

 

[Flex]

I like you buddy, but please don't mention JFK and GWB in the same breath. One was a great man and a great leader of men. The other totally undistinguished, and certain of his place in history as an aberration on the Presidency.

Jay, I knew that dropping JFK into the discussion would push your buttons; I like you too.

One thing that 43 has on the other fellow (note I didn't put his name in the same sentence or breath ) is that he is no adulterer, as far as I know... and for me, that means a lot.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Is that so? You might like to check this out:

http://www.heritage.org/press/events/ev020708b.cfm

"On March 18, the Supreme Court of the United States will hear the District of Columbia's appeal in District of Columbia v. Heller, a case that struck down DC's almost complete ban on the effective use of handguns, rifles, and shotguns for self defense in private homes. This marks the first time since 1939 that the Supreme Court will rule on a Second Amendment challenge to a firearm law. The Court's decision will have broad ramifications because it likely will decide, once and for all, whether the Second Amendment protects the individual rights of all Americans to keep guns in their homes or only protects an organized militia's right to possess guns that Congress authorizes.

"Like the rest of the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment was proposed to the States by the Congress in 1789. On several occasions, the Congress enacted statutes which explicitly declared its understanding of the Second Amendment as guaranteeing fundamental, individual rights. The Congress has a long history of protecting the right of the people to keep and bear arms and has a fundamental interest in protecting the constitutional rights of the American people. "

I think they got it backwards. It was supposed to say "right to arm bears" but that's only what I heard.

Seriously, what does this have to do with pool? If you want my opinion on the second amendment, the idea of some of my neighbors having guns scares the s**t out of me. Seriously, y'all can do what you want in the other 49 states but please don't give New Yorkers the right to bear arms.

 

[9BallPaul]

Are we barking yet?

woof woof woof.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Seriously, I'm very sorry for the argument. I was simply trying to poke fun at the fact that we are all very passionate about pool and thought it would be nice to imagine how the candidates might represent us AS POOL PLAYERS and not as the complex individuals we are throughout the rest of our normal day.

Sigh. My odd sense of humor was indeed lost on this one.

 

[ledrums]

Have we had a domestic attack since 911? No
We got Saddam and now are trying to secure the entire area that is full of radical crazy men just like Saddamn that will stop at nothing to harm America. So, all the liberals say we should bring the troops home and not concentrate on the "war on terror" as much. Its easy to say he's doing the wrong thing, but if he brings the troops home and then we fall under attack then its "wow, I guess he was right, maybe we wouldn't have these thousands of dead people if he stayed the course". It's a classic catch 22 that Democrats are too dumb to see. As for the economy and health care, I love the fact that since I like money I am allowed to make as much as I can and don't have to give it to all the slackers. I think that if you can't afford health care then you should get a goddamn job that provides it or do without. When my wife was having her baby, there were 5 families of Mexicans that were in the hospital at the same time and they were filling out medicade papers and they got the same care in the hospital that we did, with one catch, they didn't have to pay for it!! Now how fair is that BS? I spend $400/month and have good health care, and they simply get the same treatment without paying. I want the candidate that gets rid of free rides for the people that can't cut it.

Not to start an argument,but I have to say I disagree here. Some people who have your work ethic or even have more work ethic simply cannot get jobs. There is no slacking involved. I live in a town of 10,000 people and yet there are only 4 jobs in the classifieds. FOUR jobs. If you are lucky enough to get said job, most do not provide insurance or pay enough for you to get it on your own. Should a child really be denied medical coverage because the parents live in an economically deprived area. Is that not cutting it or slacking? Just curious

 

[Flex]

I think they got it backwards. It was supposed to say "right to arm bears" but that's only what I heard.

Seriously, what does this have to do with pool? If you want my opinion on the second amendment, the idea of some of my neighbors having guns scares the s**t out of me. Seriously, y'all can do what you want in the other 49 states but please don't give New Yorkers the right to bear arms.

I didn't know guns were illegal in New York...

Here's a short list of some gun dealers there...

AVON GUN AND HUNTING SUPPLY Avon 585-226-8277
BUFFALO GUN CENTER Buffalo 716-833-2581
CLASSIC FIREARMS Mineola 516-742-2226
COLLECTOR RIFLE & AMMO INC Hopewell Junction 845-227-4100
COLLINS GUN SHOP Newfield 607-564-7175
COUCH'S CREATIONS GUN SHOP Marathon 607-849-6347
JOHNSON'S COUNTRY STORE Lockport 716-434-9411
SECURITY WEAPONS AND TRAINING Buffalo 716-822-1043
SMOKE N GUN SHOP Mount Vernon 914-664-1414
TOMAHAWK POINT ROD & GUN Colton 315-262-2106
U.S. GUN EXCHANGE/MASTER ARMS Sloatsburg 845-753-5303

Are you saying honest and law abiding New Yorker's cannot keep and bear arms, in accordance with the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution?

 

[ShootingArts]

Hillary best for pool

No doubt in my mind, Hillary would be best for pool. With the country gone to hell in a handbasket what else would anyone have to do but hang out at the pool halls?

Hu

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Are you saying honest and law abiding New Yorker's cannot keep and bear arms, in accordance with the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution?

Flex, you know I was joking but seriously, I don't think I'd feel terribly safe if I knew someone on the subway could have a gun. I know some people that do and thankfully all of these people are very responsible but no, I can't agree with absolute freedom. There is a middle ground I'm okay with but only because I know the average person isn't going to get their hands on one.