Which tip and ferrule are best for a jump/break cue...

J$Cincy

J$Cincy

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Just trying to get some ideas of what options are out there. I am having a new shaft made (14mm tip) for my jump break and trying to get some opinions of what set up is most effective these days, most people seem to lean towards the one piece phenolic tip-ferrule combo. I am looking for what ever gets the best height on the ball for short distance shots, so i guess I need the hardest tip, but will that be useful in break since there is a lack of chalk adherence to the tip? Any input will be appreciated...JS
 
i have something harder than G-10 or G-11 for sale in tips or ferrule/tip combos.the material is .562" which i think is very close to 14mm.it is the same material as used on the x-jumpers.just sent you a PM.

best part is it doesn't make that tink sound on the break.
 
Black Phenolic & White Diamond tip.

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This is the combination I have done for over 50-60 players in the past 3 months. Very effective, but I must say that it's not just the materials. I have developed a very tight and unique marriage between the tenon, ferrule, & tip. Spreads balls and hops to the moon.

Gene
 
masonh said:
i have something harder than G-10 or G-11 for sale in tips or ferrule/tip combos.the material is .562" which i think is very close to 14mm.it is the same material as used on the x-jumpers.just sent you a PM.

best part is it doesn't make that tink sound on the break.
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YOU HAVE ALL THE NEAT STUFF....IF THIS WORKS AS GOOD AS YOUR YELLOW FERRULES PLAY, I GOTTA TRY IT.....MAYBE I SOULD SEND YOU A SHAFT TO PUT ONE ON SO I CAN TRY IT. I MAY BE THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS 5 SHAFTS FOR A BREAK CUE. IF I SEND ONE TO YOU, I'LL HAVE 6. I'LL PM YOU.
 
Cuedog said:
Black Phenolic & White Diamond tip.

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This is the combination I have done for over 50-60 players in the past 3 months. Very effective, but I must say that it's not just the materials. I have developed a very tight and unique marriage between the tenon, ferrule, & tip. Spreads balls and hops to the moon.

Gene
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I'M ALSO A FAN OF THE WHITE DIAMOND AND I HAVE A SHAFT WITH THIS SAME BASIC SET UP. IT BREAKS VERY WELL, BUT DOESN'T JUMP AS WELL AS PHENOLIC.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
I'M ALSO A FAN OF THE WHITE DIAMOND AND I HAVE A SHAFT WITH THIS SAME BASIC SET UP. IT BREAKS VERY WELL, BUT DOESN'T JUMP AS WELL AS PHENOLIC.
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As mentioned, it's not always the materials that make a cue perform. ;)

Gene
 
I'M ALSO A FAN OF THE WHITE DIAMOND AND I HAVE A SHAFT WITH THIS SAME BASIC SET UP. IT BREAKS VERY WELL, BUT DOESN'T JUMP AS WELL AS PHENOLIC.
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i have had the same experiece.i just don't think it is as hard as some of the phenolic products.
 
I have been using the linen and canvas phenolic 1/4" tips for customers, but realize that most newer players are buying the cheaper import cues and tend to miscue with their "powerful" stroke and have had a few tips come back because they popped off with a miscue.

For the past 6 months I've only used canvas phenolic ferrule/tip combos! I've only bought the tan phenolic and am getting ready to buy the black phenolic. Anyone notice any difference between the black and tan?

Thanks,
Zim
 
Zims Rack said:
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For the past 6 months I've only used canvas phenolic ferrule/tip combos! I've only bought the tan phenolic and am getting ready to buy the black phenolic. Anyone notice any difference between the black and tan?

Thanks,
Zim
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I HAVEN'T NOTICED A DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN COLOR. IT'S THE SAME STUFF WITH A DIFFERENT DYE IN IT. I ACTUALLY HAD 2 THAT HAD NO COLOR TO THEM AT ALL, JUST THE WHITE PHENOLIC BASE COLOR.
 
masonh said:
i have had the same experiece.i just don't think it is as hard as some of the phenolic products.
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That may be true, but the learning curve for keeping the cue ball under control is much greater with the harder materials.

The natural progression was to find a tip that helps the cue ball contact the stack with greater power and velocity than a traditional leather tip. Now, I believe there is a need to back off from simply being the hardest, to also having maximum control.

Flying cue balls not only suck, but they cost you more than the tip that caused it, if you are matching up.

Gene
 
i agree,but he and i were talking about jumping not breaking.i think for jumping the hardest is the best
 
Zims Rack said:
Break with center ball or 1/2 tip bottom is all you need really!

Zim
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I agree with you Zim. You are probably a seasoned player, no matter what your skill level is. I deal with a huge amount of one night a week league players mixed with about 25% seasoned players. The other 75% just aren't hitting enough balls to work out the miscue when they are trying to CRUSH the ball just behind the head ball.

So, I've kept them in mind and usually recommend a tip that is less volatile.

Gene
 
masonh said:
i agree,but he and i were talking about jumping not breaking.i think for jumping the hardest is the best
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I agree with you as well if you talking about needing to jump an object ball that is 2 or 3 inches or less on a regular basis. The WD was made for jumping balls and does so very well and without sacrificing accuracy or control. I sometimes need to draw the ball to get position after I jump. With the WD, I can do that.

With the thousands of break/jump cues in use today, I am currently more inclined to suggest to a player a tip that serves both purposes and gives maximum control despite the shortcomings of his stroke.

Although, I must say, just as with everything else, the WD tip is not going to be everything to everybody. There will always be preferences.

Gene
 
Cuedog said:
I agree with you Zim. You are probably a seasoned player, no matter what your skill level is. I deal with a huge amount of one night a week league players mixed with about 25% seasoned players. The other 75% just aren't hitting enough balls to work out the miscue when they are trying to CRUSH the ball just behind the head ball.

So, I've kept them in mind and usually recommend a tip that is less volatile.

Gene
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Watch that 75% of the population, if you see them dropping their elbows alot when breaking, then suggest to them that they put the tip on the cloth just below the cue ball, take their practice strokes and fire away. You'd be suprised how close to center ball they will hit with this method.

Good luck,
Zim
 
Zims Rack said:
Watch that 75% of the population, if you see them dropping their elbows alot when breaking, then suggest to them that they put the tip on the cloth just below the cue ball, take their practice strokes and fire away. You'd be suprised how close to center ball they will hit with this method.

Good luck,
Zim
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You're right...I would be surprised. ;)

Gene
 
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