Which Way Do You Play This Shot?

Video of all the options. 3 min with all the fluff fast forwarded out. I have not shot a ball in 3 weeks, and warmed up with 10 short stop shots before filming. I'm a 570 for context. All the attempts are shown, nothing was cut out. On the one rail shots, I pointed my stick if I was attempting the path between the 5/9 or the path outside the 5.

Summary
2 rails forward: 4/4
2 rails backwards: 4/4
1 rail: 5/10, and of those, only 2 of the 5 "successes" led to a good shots on the 3, so I'd actually call it 2/10.

The 2 rail forward or backwards were dirt easy I stopped after each was 4/4, and then worked more on the 1 rail route.

You took the time to set up the shot. You tried multiple routes multiple times while videoing in real-time. As if that wasn't egregious enough, you made a logical, rational assessment of YOUR preference after trying the different options. Are you crazy?

Your efforts are very much appreciated! Thanks!
bes
 
I can't find the post now, but someone asked if the 5 passed the 6. I checked on my layout with the donuts when I was standing at the table, and the 5 did have a full pocket. The 6 was about 1/4" beyond blocking the full pocket. So while not in the way, it may mess up one's sighting since it's so close.

Just now I double checked the OP's picture, and it looks like the 5 almost has a full pocket. So my layout was about 1/4" different than his.

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Standing on the line of the 5 ball with my eyes, there was a bit more space to the 6 than shown on the overhead. The overhead is a wide angle lens and curves the picture some.

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Well it's landed. Didn't realize the groaning was so loud..oh well.
I appreciate the video. From the angles, it seems that your set-up must be a bit different than the other video. I'd like to see you try the follow (2-rail) shot with about 1/3 or 1/4 less speed. Your shot looked like it was on a good line, but you overran the position fairly significantly. Although you do indeed seem to be able to get so a spot with a great view from your short rail only shot, the remaining shot and out looks challenging. -bes
 
I think it was me wondering about the 5's path past the 6 but I set it up myself as best as I could and also ended up with a full pocket. The table I was on was so fast that with the backcut on the 3, playing for that corner wasn't even a reasonable option anyway as the 2 railer to play the 5 in the side was very natural.
 
One other minor detail, the OP's picture is an 8' table layout due to the layout software (even though his home table is a 9'). Mine is also a 9'. I was going by the ball centers compared to the diamonds to mark their locations. This means on my layout the gaps between the balls would be slightly bigger than the original picture. The 2 rail backwards path might be even stronger on a smaller table with less gaps for the CB to pass through.

Greg's table is an 8' I believe.
 
I appreciate the video. From the angles, it seems that your set-up must be a bit different than the other video. I'd like to see you try the follow (2-rail) shot with about 1/3 or 1/4 less speed. Your shot looked like it was on a good line, but you overran the position fairly significantly. Although you do indeed seem to be able to get so a spot with a great view from your short rail only shot, the remaining shot and out looks challenging. -bes
The video is the ultimate cold start. My tournament competition always has a "cold start" aspect. Even having warm up.....
So I want to stay basic in my opening.
If I make it to the finals I am definitely in stroke and could take on the straight up to the gap. Could and would consider it. With the availability of hazard and my confidence in my precision I still like my favorite route. Heck if I am in stroke....the solution gets real simple after a well struck next shot. The gap offers a simple next shot, if I keep it in the narrow fairway. Mo Norman would definitely go the narrow way. 🤷‍♂️
A slight change in ball placement is significant along with the cloth, temperature of the rails. Make of balls, condition of balls, lighting and on and on. I once won an excuse t-shirt.....oh yeah the wet chalk. 😉
 
Are you crazy?
That's rhetorical? RIGHT?😉 am I right? Right.....definitely right.
One other minor detail, the OP's picture is an 8' table layout due to the layout software (even though his home table is a 9'). Mine is also a 9'. I was going by the ball centers compared to the diamonds to mark their locations. This means on my layout the gaps between the balls would be slightly bigger than the original picture. The 2 rail backwards path might be even stronger on a smaller table with less gaps for the CB to pass through.

Greg's table is an 8' I believe.
Yes mine is 8 foot. It's interesting how the change of table size would influence my shot choice. Most of my play was the 8 foot tables, a foot up or down definitely changes my preferences. So much open field on the bigger table made for shotmaking. Going smaller makes the precision cueball a bigger factor.
 
Those are plant stands. 4 places to set a potted plant on each. Those are made from cull material sold at 70 percent off. I made and sold them at the Roseville flea market in the late '70s. Making them is part of my fitness program. 🤷‍♂️ Marketing has let me down 🤷‍♂️ at least I now have a gallery. 🤷‍♂️
 
this should be a "natural" for you ....;)
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Looking at this shot. I don't think the OP's follow shot would even work, seems like you are forcing it to get to that first diamond and the angle coming off that rail doesn't look very natural. I might have to try this at home later.

But your red line shot is more logical. You can play that two ways. You way the longer way going around the thee and the second way going shorter stopping before the three.

I also like the instead of slipping through the 9/5 hole and maybe slip past the 5/7 hole. But that 5 ball is a very big ball.

I am going to have to set this up at home. There is way more than two ways to play this shot. And a lot of it has to deal with how you are feeling that day.
 
The gap offers a simple next shot, if I keep it in the narrow fairway. Mo Norman would definitely go the narrow way.
The only problem is that Mo was like a machine and professionals would decline bets that he could hit a champagne bottle in the fairway with a drive in fewer attempts than they could sink a 40 foot putt. The guy had divots in his clubs after a while of use because he hit the exact same spot every single time. You are not Mo Norman. Hell, SVB is not Mo Norman.

The low right path is just so much safer and repeatable for mere mortals. I played the shots and had a few imperfect attempts on each. My worst attempt at the low right shot left me an ok shot while anything short of Mo Norman perfect on the stun left me in trouble or dead. So, accounting for the fact that I will not have the same delivery and ball movement every time, the low left, which was hit in such a variable manner that I hit the 2nd rail in a range about a diamond wide, is by far the best shot. Even your preferred path between the 5 and 7 requires precise speed control to have a decent shot. Plus the best result for that path is probably as difficult a shot on the 3 as a very subpar attempt at the draw.
 
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our preferred path between the 5 and 7 requires precise speed control
I accidentally clipped the y from your. I guess I might not be the only one, so off I go.
Precision speed control is something I practice daily. Watching and studying snooker has me admiring the speed control over huge distances. A skill that's required to enter the upper echelons.
While I might no be Mo, I certainly see value in his methods and at times try to emulate. A favorite memory leads to a brag (of course it's grampa). When I was elevated to the Northwest Masters division I posted a victory playing 8 ball on the 7 foot Diamond tables. A race to 6 against Kenny Dodd who had been in the Grand Master division. There were only 12 Grand Masters so they were integrated into the masters.
At hill hill Ken played a safety that left a bait shot. A ball I could pocket but only the tiny chance of getting out. I took the bait and got out. Mo would have been proud of the first shot I took on and made the most improbable shape.🤷‍♂️ I ain't MO nor Shane nor Cole but I try to emulate what I see the top players doing regularly. Playing a top player gets a different decision than if I was playing YOU. 😝 just kidding 😉 maybe not 😝
 
I accidentally clipped the y from your. I guess I might not be the only one, so off I go.
Precision speed control is something I practice daily. Watching and studying snooker has me admiring the speed control over huge distances. A skill that's required to enter the upper echelons.
While I might no be Mo, I certainly see value in his methods and at times try to emulate. A favorite memory leads to a brag (of course it's grampa). When I was elevated to the Northwest Masters division I posted a victory playing 8 ball on the 7 foot Diamond tables. A race to 6 against Kenny Dodd who had been in the Grand Master division. There were only 12 Grand Masters so they were integrated into the masters.
At hill hill Ken played a safety that left a bait shot. A ball I could pocket but only the tiny chance of getting out. I took the bait and got out. Mo would have been proud of the first shot I took on and made the most improbable shape.🤷‍♂️ I ain't MO nor Shane nor Cole but I try to emulate what I see the top players doing regularly. Playing a top player gets a different decision than if I was playing YOU. 😝 just kidding 😉 maybe not 😝
Well I agree with u about emulating great players... they tend to take the highest percentage shots and favor 2 foot position windows over 6inch position windows all the time. Pretty much all great players would play either of the spinny 2 railers over the 1 railers frought with danger.

As for me being a far cry from a great player... zero arguments here. My dispersion on the 2nd rail was pretty damn wide with the draw. And yet, they all ended up with shots on the 3. That's why it's the right shot.
 
That's why it's the right shot.
There is a time and place for different choices. There's another movie quote that I can't remember who to attribute. "A man's gotta know his limitations. " Pretty sure it was Dirty Harry. Pretty sure.....
 
There is a time and place for different choices. There's another movie quote that I can't remember who to attribute. "A man's gotta know his limitations. " Pretty sure it was Dirty Harry. Pretty sure.....
If a basic pool shot like hitting low-outside through a massive window is a limitation, I can't see how pin point angle and speed control could be strength.
 
I remember a semi insult regarding practice kicking because I couldn't play shape. Just because I kick like a Mule doesn't mean it's my only "super power".
Wobbly said:
I can't see how pin point angle and speed control could be strength.
Can't means Won't. 🤷‍♂️
 
I remember a semi insult regarding practice kicking because I couldn't play shape. Just because I kick like a Mule doesn't mean it's my only "super power".

Can't means Won't. 🤷‍♂️
Because for some reason you’re playing to 3rd rail. Take a look at the OP’s diagram again. He’s playing a follow inside 2-railer for position to the same pocket (lower left as viewed from above the table), same as the draw 2-railer with outside. Both playing to the obvious same pocket. I think because you mirrored the layout, you confused yourself as to which pocket to play position for.
 
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