Who dropped out of the IPT

onepocketchump said:
Brian can come to Charlotte right NOW and play Kelly Fisher, who is on the IPT and try and win whatever he can scrape together for a stake. OR if you will find a way to get the money posted we will come to St. Louis and let Kelly play Brian. Now before you get your boxers twisted about Kelly can play Justin, or Chuck you just remember that you are BARKING at Linda because you somehow think that Brian has the NUTS and that Linda's inclusion in the IPT is somehow an affront to Brian. Well I think that Kelly Fisher has the nuts playing Brian DEAD EVEN and I bet that NO ONE in AMERICA will put up any signifigant amount of money to back Brian's side of this.
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Kelly Fisher beat Jeff Abernathy even gambling. Brian has no chance, Chuck might not either, Justin would be gambling.

onepocketchump said:
If there were any people who thought Brian could cut it on the IPT then they would have been clamoring to back him. Obviously you didn't think so or you would have helped him get there.

John
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I get too confused on all the ins/outs of the IPT but I thought you got money for last place so I am not sure what Brian had to cut. Anyways, I am not in the stakehorsing business and am not interested or in the business of getting 1:2 for my money. Actually, I really don't like many people enough that I would go out of my way to help. I can count them on one hand. When it comes to money, most people are all the same. I keep that in mind when it comes to where I put my money.
 
Get in touch

John,

You know how to get in touch with me. I will play her some, and I know Justin will too. Craig has my number if you don't have it anymore. No disrespect to Kelly at all; she plays great, but she can get some action if she comes to St. Louis. Give me a call if you're interested.

Chuck Raulston
 
Chuck Raulston said:
John,

You know how to get in touch with me. I will play her some, and I know Justin will too. Craig has my number if you don't have it anymore. No disrespect to Kelly at all; she plays great, but she can get some action if she comes to St. Louis. Give me a call if you're interested.

Chuck Raulston
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Chuck,

I wasn't barking at you. I was making a point. The point is that it is EASY to belittle someone's ability and bark at them when you think your player has the nuts. It's EASY for me to tell Watchez that Kelly Fisher, a girl and an IPT member will play Brian, because I think Kelly has the dead nuts. Just as it's easy for Watchez to pick on Linda because he thinks Brian has the nuts plyaing her.

This is about the IPT and the decisions the player's make. Brian made a decision to exclude himself for monetary reasons according to Watchez. This has NOTHING at all to do with Linda's decision NOT to rescind her spot. Linda didn't take a spot that Brian should have. That's where Watchez overstepped the line when he barked at Linda.

As for action, I know Kelly can get played in St Louis, Chicago, Charlotte, Atlanta and any other town in this country. You all in St. Louis can get played if you come here, go to Tulsa or wherever. It's not like you or Justin are unbeatable or have to lose anytime you step to the table. You all come to Charlotte and we'll give you some action. Otherwise, Kelly is making some good coin doing exhibitions and doesn't need to put it up just to see who has bigger balls. It's a lot easier work when you get a couple Gs just for showing up for a couple hours and it's all smiles and everyone is happy.

John
 
Steve Lipsky said:
John, I understand in some twisted way you are trying to put watchez in his place, but I hope you realize all you are doing is making disparaging comments about Brian and his game.

I don't know Brian, but he isn't even on this forum. He quietly withdrew his name. You should not be trying to embarrass him, even if you think you are doing it to embarrass watchez.

Just my take on this...

- Steve
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I am not in the least trying to embarass Brian. I don't know of him other then what Watchez has posted. The only thing that pissed me off was the last line about Linda coming to St. Louis to play him for money "that he would have won". I spoke to the excuse that Watchez relayed for Brian's withdrawl and nothing else. I spoke to Watchez's willingness to 'pick on a girl' and informed him that I have one he can pick on if he believes that Brian is good enough.

In the end though, I really don't care. Brian put his application in and he agreed to have his name publicized. He is being talked about because of that and if he gets offended by that then he should not have applied. I didn't apply because I simply felt that I am NOT GOOD ENOUGH to play on the IPT. There are players on the roster whom I know that are at my level. No big deal. I am not going to be one of the ones who don't deserve to be there based on ability. Still though I applaud all the players who are going to play the inaugaral year. I think it takes a lot of courage to step up and try even though you might feel as though you are the underdog in each match. That's heart. Had I applied, then I would have given it my all and done whatever I could to get to the tournaments. No excuses. So, Brian if you read this, sorry if my comments offended you. I wish you woud have stayed on. I can respect that you felt you could not. I would have made a different choice.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
Kelly is making some good coin doing exhibitions and doesn't need to put it up just to see who has bigger balls. It's a lot easier work when you get a couple Gs just for showing up for a couple hours and it's all smiles and everyone is happy.

John
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Damn, I knew I should've been a women's pro billiard player. What a dumb career choice I made.

Please tell me the next time she is going to be somewhere & getting $2000 for appearance money, I want to see what I am missing.
 
watchez said:
Damn, I knew I should've been a women's pro billiard player. What a dumb career choice I made.

Please tell me the next time she is going to be somewhere & getting $2000 for appearance money, I want to see what I am missing.
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Sorry, you're not on the mailing list. What you are missing cannot be found anywhere outside yourself.

But if you don't believe me and want to bet a couple dimes I will be happy to prove Kelly's appearance earnings. More than happy.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
But if you don't believe me and want to bet a couple dimes I will be happy to prove Kelly's appearance earnings. More than happy.

John
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I have no idea what Kelly gets for appearance fees but I do know that the women make more money in the pool industry than the men do and a lot of it is in appearance fees.

I think Joe Q Public still thinks of women that play pool well as an enigma of sorts and maybe this is why the women can make so much money outside of tournament play.

According to the recording of Jennifer Baretta in a radio interview not too long ago, she made $105,000 or something very close to that. Tournament winnings & sponsorship are course included in this but I would venture a guess & say that the bulk of that income was from appearance fees. Appearance fees are a perk that the women get to enjoy much more than the men.
 
Timberly said:
I have no idea what Kelly gets for appearance fees but I do know that the women make more money in the pool industry than the men do and a lot of it is in appearance fees.

I think Joe Q Public still thinks of women that play pool well as an enigma of sorts and maybe this is why the women can make so much money outside of tournament play.

According to the recording of Jennifer Baretta in a radio interview not too long ago, she made $105,000 or something very close to that. Tournament winnings & sponsorship are course included in this but I would venture a guess & say that the bulk of that income was from appearance fees. Appearance fees are a perk that the women get to enjoy much more than the men.
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I think the number was 150 but other than Jeanette, and perhaps Allison, I dont get the feeling there are many more in that category. I would bet there are some in the top 10 who have not made 15K in appearance money the past year.
 
Nostroke said:
I think the number was 150 but other than Jeanette, and perhaps Allison, I dont get the feeling there are many more in that category. I would bet there are some in the top 10 who have not made 15K in appearance money the past year.
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I had the numbers right, just not in the right order. :p

I guess I should've clarified that not all the women are pulling in that kind of dough. I would guess that you're right about Jeanette & Allison being the only ones coming close to that kind of income. While the others aren't bringing in that kind of money, I do think that overall, the women are bringing in more money per person in appearance fees than the guys are.
 
Timberly said:
I had the numbers right, just not in the right order. :p

I guess I should've clarified that not all the women are pulling in that kind of dough. I would guess that you're right about Jeanette & Allison being the only ones coming close to that kind of income. While the others aren't bringing in that kind of money, I do think that overall, the women are bringing in more money per person in appearance fees than the guys are.
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Not gonna argue there and when i say coming close i didnt really mean to imply that Allison and Jeanette make less than that. I dont think they do.

And im not including Jennifer Chen and what she does in Asia which from all reports is quite substantial.
 
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onepocketchump said:
Sorry, you're not on the mailing list. What you are missing cannot be found anywhere outside yourself.

But if you don't believe me and want to bet a couple dimes I will be happy to prove Kelly's appearance earnings. More than happy.

John
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I never said that I didn't believe you. I just want to see what type of a pool room or corporation is paying two dimes for Kelly to come & do an exhibition and what she does in her exhibition. No offense, but I don't think that John Q Public knows who Kelly Fisher is or what her titles are or her impressive resume. Put her in a t-shirt with just 3 big letters I P T on it and take her to the mall. I bet 2 out of 100 people don't know who she is or what sport she is involved with. That being said, if a pool room wants to pay her $2000 to appear, I just wanted to meet this sucker. If you, John, as her manager are negotiating this rate then I honestly applaud you. I did actually look for a website for Kelly but could not find one. I would be happy to make her one for $500 if your interested.
 
Exhibition Prices

Since you brought up Kelly Fisher's going rate for appearance & exhibition at $2000, I did a little research and don't feel like I am out of line posting it.

Tom Rossman 'Dr. Cue': receives $600-$800 for an appearance & the Christian Pool Organization or whatever they are called pay for his airfare, hotel & food. No offense to Kelly once again, and I am speaking without seeing what she does for $2000 but I have seen Dr Cue in Vegas the past several years. He puts on a pretty polished show. I would think that John Q Public would be nicely entertained by him.

Allison Fischer: Current #1 ranked women's player & by the rankings 50% higher rated than her nearest competitor. She appears for FREE thanks to the APA. I know that might sound crazy, as it did to me, but I know of a local pool room that had her in & that was the price. FREE
 
watchez said:
Allison Fischer: Current #1 ranked women's player & by the rankings 50% higher rated than her nearest competitor. She appears for FREE thanks to the APA. I know that might sound crazy, as it did to me, but I know of a local pool room that had her in & that was the price. FREE
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How much money is the APA making off of that pool room in league play and I guarantee you that the APA paid Allison. They're one of her sponsors.... she's bringing in the bucks from the APA just like the APA is bringing in the bucks from that bar on league nights.
 
Nostroke said:
And im not including Jennifer Chen and what she does in Asia which from all reports is quite substantial.
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Considering how much more popular pool is in Asia, I would guess that the women over there make a decent living in pool. I've never heard anything about it so it's purely speculation on my part.
 
watchez said:
I never said that I didn't believe you. I just want to see what type of a pool room or corporation is paying two dimes for Kelly to come & do an exhibition and what she does in her exhibition. No offense, but I don't think that John Q Public knows who Kelly Fisher is or what her titles are or her impressive resume. Put her in a t-shirt with just 3 big letters I P T on it and take her to the mall. I bet 2 out of 100 people don't know who she is or what sport she is involved with. That being said, if a pool room wants to pay her $2000 to appear, I just wanted to meet this sucker. If you, John, as her manager are negotiating this rate then I honestly applaud you. I did actually look for a website for Kelly but could not find one. I would be happy to make her one for $500 if your interested.
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It doesn't matter. Corporations pay far more than that for just motivational speakers. There are people doing the speaking/exhibition circuit who are getting 20-30,000 an hour for their time. You just need to market to the right people. I guarantee you that if Kelly went to the mall that the majority of people would not recognize her. But if you put a pool table in there and Kelly is contracted to play on it to entertain the people at the mall then there will be two facts that are pretty much a dead lock, A. She will be getting a nice payday, and B, She will probably be able to beat 99% of the people at the mall convincingly enough to prove she deserves the dough.

Send me a link to your online portfolio and we'll consider you for some of our website needs.

John
 
watchez said:
Since you brought up Kelly Fisher's going rate for appearance & exhibition at $2000, I did a little research and don't feel like I am out of line posting it.

Tom Rossman 'Dr. Cue': receives $600-$800 for an appearance & the Christian Pool Organization or whatever they are called pay for his airfare, hotel & food. No offense to Kelly once again, and I am speaking without seeing what she does for $2000 but I have seen Dr Cue in Vegas the past several years. He puts on a pretty polished show. I would think that John Q Public would be nicely entertained by him.

Allison Fischer: Current #1 ranked women's player & by the rankings 50% higher rated than her nearest competitor. She appears for FREE thanks to the APA. I know that might sound crazy, as it did to me, but I know of a local pool room that had her in & that was the price. FREE
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I never put a price on Kelly's exhibition prices. You tossed out some numbers. I simply said that Kelly is making more than that. I guarantee you that when Allison appears she is making money. Your APA dues paid for Allison and Tom Rossmann and Jerry Briesath and whoever else does exhibitions at the APA events. Kelly does charity events for free as I am sure that the other pros do as well from time to time. Other than that they are getting paid for their time.

Tom does have a great show. Well worth the money. He is booked pretty much all year. Kelly is also pretty much booked all year between her competition, teaching, and appearances. So you can see that both of them have no need to gamble for a living. As far as whether anyone's price is in line or out-of-line I will just say that each person charges what they feel they are worth. I have paid Tom Rossman a couple hundred for a few hour's worth of banking lessons and it was well worth it. I would have paid twice that much but that is what he asked for. Kelly is a six time world champion. Go and see what it costs to get a golf trick shot artist and what it costs to get a top golf pro. I think the correlation will be readily apparent.

John
 
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