who has the hardest break?

gpeezy said:
not only the hardest but the best break.bar box and big table.



And this is just to remind you, that the question was not only the hardest - but the BEST (so power * control, or power + control).

And it goes to Yang. (Ok. I don't know how well he breaks nowadays, but 2001 - 2003, he was amazing. And most amazingly - his biceps are thick as my left wrist :D )
 
Marvel said:
Yeah, me too.


Sorry Danny and Jay, but by far the BEST breaker in the world (probably the best 9-ball player also) is Chin-Shun Yang from Taiwan. His control and concistency is in different level with others, and if needed, he can smash them hard as anyone..

And this comment is not at all only bcos he just smashed Dennis.. :p


(it's more bcos I was priviledged to watch him in his "prime", in Cardiff 2001-2003. I'm surprised he hasn't won the WPC already twice in this decade.. ..maybe lacking some balls or heart still, but skill wise he's the best in the world..)

Love to read your post.;)
 
Marvel said:
Yeah, me too.


Sorry Danny and Jay, but by far the BEST breaker in the world (probably the best 9-ball player also) is Chin-Shun Yang from Taiwan. His control and concistency is in different level with others, and if needed, he can smash them hard as anyone..

And this comment is not at all only bcos he just smashed Dennis.. :p


(it's more bcos I was priviledged to watch him in his "prime", in Cardiff 2001-2003. I'm surprised he hasn't won the WPC already twice in this decade.. ..maybe lacking some balls or heart still, but skill wise he's the best in the world..)

He's not past his prime, his prime is right now. Yang is playing the best 9ball in the world right now. It's not only because of his break, but he plays the percentages well and his safety play is greater than most. I still want to see him play Efren in a race to 120 or something like that, it would turn into a great match.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
He's not past his prime, his prime is right now. Yang is playing the best 9ball in the world right now. It's not only because of his break, but he plays the percentages well and his safety play is greater than most. I still want to see him play Efren in a race to 120 or something like that, it would turn into a great match.

you bring up a good point, the race to 120 on tables with normal pockets, not the buckets they use on the womens tables or one pocket tables that are too tight, but pockets you can cheat thus play better shape by cheating the pocket(which is the essence of the game run out pool), 9 ball on a tight table is stupid, its just as hard to shoot a ball in to tight pocket as it is to cheat the pocket and shoot it into one side of it, but back to my point, these long races with winner breaks would be great watching 6-8 packs etc, like the one earl and efren did, there are lead changes, plenty of ways to bet on it, and watch great 9B. I really think it would help pool alot-if these matches happened more often and were on the square not "business". but 9B played at its best.
 
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I think Frankie Hernandez, (out of N.Y? I believe) has a really strong break. But fastest break, with control, gotta go with Bustamante.
 
Excuse the noobery but i've always wondered if one were to "train" the muscles associated with the break via weightlifting/conditioning etc, would the end result be a better break? And for what it's worth, my vote goes to Jeff de Luna.



ps

i'm a new member here so please, if any of you have links or better yet, tips for how to achieve a better break, please feel free to post or pm!
 
ziskan1013 said:
Excuse the noobery but i've always wondered if one were to "train" the muscles associated with the break via weightlifting/conditioning etc, would the end result be a better break? And for what it's worth, my vote goes to Jeff de Luna.



ps

i'm a new member here so please, if any of you have links or better yet, tips for how to achieve a better break, please feel free to post or pm!


i have perhaps the worst break in the world, when I was bodybuilding, i was much stronger than i am now i havent trained in a year and am bed bound unless i take pills to play pool, my back is being worked on, so all I have right now is an arm break, my back hurts too bad to put any body into the shot, its a timing issue, not a strength issue, but back to my point when i was bodybuilding i did break harder but I still never had the break of Little Davy Howard, my friend Mike Mitchell can crush the balls harder than Bustamonte and hold the rock, he is a rock solid A++ player and can break harder than anyone, i'd bet it all on that. he gets his body into it and has the timing right, arm breaks like I do because of lack of coordanation are terrible no matter how strong you are-i'm a big guy there is a pic of me floating around here, i aint no pro body builder it was just fun for me.

i listen to rap (save the hating for later ;) ) like Ice Cube says in a song "Get your ass into it" guys who rotate their bodys at the time the tip hits the ball crush the rack, its coordanation, Tyson did it in the ring-you cant knock a guy out with pity pat arm punches nor can you break the balls
 
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Fatboy said:
i have perhaps the worst break in the world, when I was bodybuilding, i was much stronger than i am now i havent trained in a year and am bed bound unless i take pills to play pool, my back is being worked on, so all I have right now is an arm break, my back hurts too bad to put any body into the shot, its a timing issue, not a strength issue, but back to my point when i was bodybuilding i did break harder but I still never had the break of Little Davy Howard, my friend Mike Mitchell can crush the balls harder than Bustamonte and hold the rock, he is a rock solid A++ player and can break harder than anyone, i'd bet it all on that. he gets his body into it and has the timing right, arm breaks like I do because of lack of coordanation are terrible no matter how strong you are-i'm a big guy there is a pic of me floating around here, i aint no pro body builder it was just fun for me.

i listen to rap (save the hating for later ;) ) like Ice Cube says in a song "Get your ass into it" guys who rotate their bodys at the time the tip hits the ball crush the rack, its coordanation, Tyson did it in the ring-you cant knock a guy out with pity pat arm punches nor can you break the balls

Thanks for the info, I'm gonna try that.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
He's not past his prime, his prime is right now. Yang is playing the best 9ball in the world right now. It's not only because of his break, but he plays the percentages well and his safety play is greater than most. I still want to see him play Efren in a race to 120 or something like that, it would turn into a great match.


"Prime", was in a way joke as he's so young still. He played better at 2001-2003, than he's playing now. I believe he had some personal drama in his family, his mother got sick or something, and that had an influence in his game, and he hasn't found it completely after the dissapointments in the home WPC's 2004-2005.

He was the topic at the WPC in 2001-2003, when he played the best pool on earth, but for some reason or other, his time to win It wasn't then or even yet.


2001 there was Sardo, and the rack was made that 9 was on the spot. Mika, Souquet, Feijen and probably couple of others had mastered the cut-break. Asians not. It was winners break, and Souquet played perfect from rounds last 16 to the semi-finals. He beat Yang in L16 11-4, Chamat in L8 11-1, Lai in Semi-Finals 11-2 (not hard facts, but could be exactly like that, maximum +-1 marginal), so Yang was Souquet's dominations victim that year.

2002 he was concidered by all, the best. This year he run into Bustamante at Semi Finals. Busty hadn't played as good as Yang, but in that particular match - which was said to be the greatest televised match of all time - Busty ran out on him. Unfortunately I didn't see that match, but the word on the street told that Busty ran 4 pack, Yang ran 7 pack and Busty ran 7 and out. This might be little over exaggeration, as I also heard there was some safety exhange in the racks which were not ran out, but anyway 4 + 7 for busty, and 7 for Yang.

2003 he was playing the overall best again. He beat Souquet in Knock-Out stages with couple of innings and with marvellous safety play. He beat Mika easily in Last16, breaking 3-5 balls all the time (ok - maybe couple of times only 2 ;) ). That year Strickland was too much for him in quarters, Yang fought from 2-8 to 9-11 loss. Earl was playing his best that match, but got out of gas in the Semis against Thorsten, which was played at the same day with quarters..

2004 when WPC moved to Asia and Taiwan, the hopes were high, but he was just a poor shadow from past years. At that time it was rumoured that his mother had got sick.
He survived group stages, but didn't play any good. Cannot tell if he would have improved, as again he was dashed against a Monster. This time it was Manalo's turn to fly his highest flight, and he ran out from everywhere glueing Yang to his seat until hand shake. Manalo went to beat Busty and Efren with the same speed after that, until he ran out of gas also..

2005 I wasn't there, but the same karma conquerred again. He had won the big warm up event in the Philippines (with all the best from Asia + many other WPC attendants from USA & Europe). He had found his game again, but shocking dead stroke and the game of his life from Hundal, kicked Yang out this time. I don't know how many racks Hundal ran, but it was many.

2006 it was alternative break. Yang played ok - but still nothing compared to Cardiff years. I didn't watch his games, I recall he sent Archer to the bleachers, probably lost tight match to inform Souquet at the L32 round if I remember it correctly.



His break is by far the best and so is his jumping also.

If you don't count Efren - as he's the Magician - Yang's safety play is probably the best, or at least at par with the best.

So is his shot making and his pattern play.

He is very calm and fearless, and I used to say he is the most 'perfect' player in the world. When I saw him in 2004, I noticed that he is human after all, as he indeed were weak at that tournament.
I don't know what he's lacking; balls, heart, luck - or all of these, as he hasn't been able yet to win a major. If you read my examples, I think the luck is the biggest factor, but later also balls and heart. He is still the calmest player I've seen, but it's difficult to say will he overcome the problems/karma he has.
He's not the topic anymore, as other youngsters like Hohmann and Pagulayan stole it, and especially when his country fellow Wu took the title and also Chang and Kuo (with silver medals) showed some spirit.

Still, I remember at 2005 when Kuo (who lost the final at hill-hill to Wu) was interviewed, he said; "I was just hoping I don't have to play Yang".

I believe in Asia Yang still has - and will have - special fear factor.


I don't want to compare him to Efren, as Efren is un-comparable. Nobody will ever challenge Efren. Somebody might someday do something what Efren didn't do, but still Efren is untouchable IMHO.

It might be that Yang is a victim of his vanity, I don't know. Wu won his titles cos he was so focused on the balls, not the trophy nor the fame. Even Wu is in more troubles now - as he has tasted the limelights - lost his kilo's and changed his hair style :p
 
ziskan1013 said:
Excuse the noobery but i've always wondered if one were to "train" the muscles associated with the break via weightlifting/conditioning etc, would the end result be a better break? And for what it's worth, my vote goes to Jeff de Luna.



ps

i'm a new member here so please, if any of you have links or better yet, tips for how to achieve a better break, please feel free to post or pm!

Hand speed and technique, not much strength issues.

Mike
 
Any one who breaks over 30 mph and can keep the ball on the table is a freaking monster no matter what any one said.IMO:)
 
For those that mentioned Alex, at the 2006 DCC at had the opportunity to watch Thomas Engert (among others) in the IPT qualifier. Thomas broke amazingly hard (harder than his opponents). I also watched Alex and didn't think he broke as hard as Thomas.

Alex did get an IPT card though...
 
Sorry guys but this argument of who has the hardest, fastest, strongest, whatever break in the world right now is really not being answered. All anyone has done is say who has hard, fast, strong breaks. Just like any sport to know who is the best you would have to have a contest just for that particular thing. Just like a driving contest in golf. Although as many of you pointed out, it is also about control. So tiger might not win, a driving contest, and efren wouldnt win the big break contest, so yeah nuff said.
 
Deadon said:
Hand speed and technique, not much strength issues.

Mike

do you know mike mitchell? he plays in modesto these days, but he has played in sacramento since the late 80's
 
Kid Delicious about 5 years ago. I asked him why not as hard now?

He told me it's more about technique and control, also it took so much out of him!!!
 
UPS Driver

Yes the hardest break i have seen is a UPS driver who would probally love to gamble with ANYONE from Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Delaware and Pennsylvania..His name is Matt Clatterbuck....If you havn't heard of him just wait, i have a strong feeling you will soon....
 
RunoutalloverU said:
Sorry guys but this argument of who has the hardest, fastest, strongest, whatever break in the world right now is really not being answered. All anyone has done is say who has hard, fast, strong breaks. Just like any sport to know who is the best you would have to have a contest just for that particular thing. Just like a driving contest in golf. Although as many of you pointed out, it is also about control. So tiger might not win, a driving contest, and efren wouldnt win the big break contest, so yeah nuff said.


I agree. Each time I break I know that I am capable of hitting them much harder, but I feel that control start to slip away. Who wants to make two or three and then see that cue bounce on the floor. What a horrible feeling what with the Texas Express rules. Its such a penalty.

While on the subject, I was sort of puzzled by Buddy Hall. I have tapes of the tounaments when a foul on the break was ball behind the line and spot all balls that fell etc. Well he was saying that he sure would like to play Texas Express. Fast forward a few years and he was saying in a mag that I was reading, I don't like this hully gully style Texas Exspress. I think we need to go back to the old rules. I don't mean two shot roll out. It is still one foul ball in hand. Main difference is just the break, I guess.

Someone had a good suggestion, I thought. Play old style rules like in 1990. Call your ball. Race to nine, two out of three sets but SINGLE elimination all the way throughout the tournament. Its a great format and you will get what you rightfully deserve much more often. If you lose you can go on home if you choose. Another way to trim expenses on your overhead if you ask me. Something else that is badly needed these days
 
9Ball_JJ said:
Hillbilly has one of the hardest breaks that I've ever seen.

I'll second that. He was hittin 'em harder than Archer or Bustamante at the recent UPA tourney here in Los Angeles (I don't know if Bustamante or Archer were breaking at full speed, though they weren't soft breaking either).
 
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