Who is known to make the most forward balanced cue "butt"??

[jrctherake]

I'm curious, who makes forward balanced cue "butt"?

It can be production or full custom.

Most of the shafts I use are 3.5 oz to 3.8 oz. They are carbon fiber shafts.

Before going to carbon fiber I was use to shafts that weighed 4.3ish to 4.6ish range.

With the lighter carbon shafts the cues' balance just doesn't suit me feel wise.

Thanks!

 

[jrctherake]

What cue is it? Pin type? Sometimes you can change out pins and inserts to reduce weight of cues at the front, and add it to the back.

I'm having the opposite done to a cheap pechauer Merry Widow cue butt as an experiment.

I'm also having the shaft changed as well.

I'll update you on the difference and how it plays before and after when I get it back.

I should have it back tomorrow or the next day.

I'm expecting the balance point of full cue to move 4ish" forward.

The butt will weigh the same..., but the weight will be redistributed to the front from the back (around 2 ounces).

The shaft will gain .5 oz and it will be added around two inches in front of the joint.

We'll see...

 

[Poolplaya9]

Yes, my stance is more upright than most modern players.

Even when playing rotation games my chin will be 6 to 8 inches over cue.

In 14.1 my. Hin is probably 12+ above the cue unless I'm shooting up table.

And yes, I wanted the balance to move forward....not heavier.

Although I will accept a little extra weight if I have to in order to get the balance I'm wanting.

Good points sir

While it isn't a change to the cue itself, a trick you can also experiment with on an existing cue is to lengthen your bridge by a bit and then move your grip hand rearward by that exact same amount (i.e. shift your bridge and grip hands both rearward on the cue by the same amount). In doing this everything about your form stays the same but you are shifting the weight forward in your hands which has a similar effect to moving the balance point.

 

[jrctherake]

While it isn't a change to the cue itself, a trick you can also experiment with on an existing cue is to lengthen your bridge by a bit and then move your grip hand rearward by that exact same amount (i.e. shift your bridge and grip hands both rearward on the cue by the same amount). In doing this everything about your form stays the same but you are shifting the weight forward in your hands which has a similar effect to moving the balance point.

I do exactly that when needing to spin the cb more than average. Mostly when playing rotation games.

But, when playing 14.1.... I "try" to keep my bridge as short as possible, eventhough my longer bridge creeps in at the worse possible times and contributes to a miss hit on the cb resulting in a missed shot.

Good advice though for people with good fundamentals.

 

[Chili Palmer]

What cue is it? Pin type? Sometimes you can change out pins and inserts to reduce weight of cues at the front, and add it to the back.

It's a Huebler with the standard 5/16-18 pin and SS collar, I don't want to change the (edit for sp) collar but have considered going to a G10 pin. Ultimately, I need to pull about 2oz out of it and move the BP back a couple of inches. I have all the tools and skills to do it, I just don't have the experience yet ,and there's no way I'm taking a chance on screwing it up so, it waits. It's time will come, I'm patient.

I would be proud to own any one of your cues.

Nothing modest about your cue collection sir.

Going by what I saw, several of your cues look to be awesome players.

Then again, I prefer to play with a plain Jane or Merry Widow.

The best player's are almost always the simple but classy looking cues.

Thanks, I tried the fancy route once (Dzuricky, there's a link to it in that thread) it just wasn't for me. If I could afford to have expensive cues sitting around I never would've sold it.

As far as players go, I was never really trying to collect cues, I simply bought a few players to try when I got back into the sport so I could find one I liked. Turns out, I like them all. Other than the obvious cheap/crap stuff, and even those I will pick up and bang balls with once in a while, I can/will play with any of my cues, and often do. LOL, my son was being a smartass one day, I think he beat me a few games in a row, so I picked up the little pink cue and put him in his place

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

It's a Huebler with the standard 5/16-18 pin and SS collar, I don't want to change the (edit for sp) collar but have considered going to a G10 pin. Ultimately, I need to pull about 2oz out of it and move the BP back a couple of inches. I have all the tools and skills to do it, I just don't have the experience yet ,and there's no way I'm taking a chance on screwing it up so, it waits. It's time will come, I'm patient.



Thanks, I tried the fancy route once (Dzuricky, there's a link to it in that thread) it just wasn't for me. If I could afford to have expensive cues sitting around I never would've sold it.

As far as players go, I was never really trying to collect cues, I simply bought a few players to try when I got back into the sport so I could find one I liked. Turns out, I like them all. Other than the obvious cheap/crap stuff, and even those I will pick up and bang balls with once in a while, I can/will play with any of my cues, and often do. LOL, my son was being a smartass one day, I think he beat me a few games in a row, so I picked up the little pink cue and put him in his place

The collar will have most of the weight. Changing just the pin won’t help much. You could go thin wall stainless sleeved over phenolic, and use a titanium pin to shave some weight off? Great looking cue. You may just have some heavy wood in that one. I haven’t ever opened up a Huebler, so I can’t comment on how big the connecting screw between the forearm and handle could be.

 

[jrctherake]

It's a Huebler with the standard 5/16-18 pin and SS collar, I don't want to change the (edit for sp) collar but have considered going to a G10 pin. Ultimately, I need to pull about 2oz out of it and move the BP back a couple of inches. I have all the tools and skills to do it, I just don't have the experience yet ,and there's no way I'm taking a chance on screwing it up so, it waits. It's time will come, I'm patient.



Thanks, I tried the fancy route once (Dzuricky, there's a link to it in that thread) it just wasn't for me. If I could afford to have expensive cues sitting around I never would've sold it.

As far as players go, I was never really trying to collect cues, I simply bought a few players to try when I got back into the sport so I could find one I liked. Turns out, I like them all. Other than the obvious cheap/crap stuff, and even those I will pick up and bang balls with once in a while, I can/will play with any of my cues, and often do. LOL, my son was being a smartass one day, I think he beat me a few games in a row, so I picked up the little pink cue and put him in his place

It's a good feeling to know that you can play at a good level with any cue that's reasonably maintained.

I've never understood the desire to own closet queens. I've owned a few (black boar, SW, Tad, Cog, Tasc, Gina and a few more), but always ended up going back to a plain Jane / Merry Widow that played better than any of those big name fancy collectible cues.

I "think" plain Jane's/Merry Widow type cues have been in the hands of more world beaters that fancy cues have.

Simply put..... simple is best.

 

[Chili Palmer]

The collar will have most of the weight. Changing just the pin won’t help much. You could go thin wall stainless sleeved over phenolic, and use a titanium pin to shave some weight off? Great looking cue. You may just have some heavy wood in that one. I haven’t ever opened up a Huebler, so I can’t comment on how big the connecting screw between the forearm and handle could be.

Yeah, I really don't know what direction I'm going yet, I've put some thought into it but not too much. I would rather not mess with the finish so was thinking of pulling the pin and boring the forearm but, I believe I read on here that's not either 1) the best route or 2) the easiest thing to do. Once I read that I decided to put that project on hold for quite some time. If I get too impatient I will just send it off to someone like Scott at Proficient and pay to have it done.

 

[Chili Palmer]

It's a good feeling to know that you can play at a good level with any cue that's reasonably maintained.

I've never understood the desire to own closet queens. I've owned a few (black boar, SW, Tad, Cog, Tasc, Gina and a few more), but always ended up going back to a plain Jane / Merry Widow that played better than any of those big name fancy collectible cues.

I "think" plain Jane's/Merry Widow type cues have been in the hands of more world beaters that fancy cues have.

Simply put..... simple is best.

I've always been that way, I like to push myself in everything I do and I love grabbing a crap, crooked, stick off the wall and having fun. I need a tip and a good weight/balance. Don't care if the shaft feels like it got ran over by a truck, tip and weight - that's all that matters.

That being said, if I could afford it - I would have walls full of fancy cues, I enjoy the craftsmanship

 

[jrctherake]

I've always been that way, I like to push myself in everything I do and I love grabbing a crap, crooked, stick off the wall and having fun. I need a tip and a good weight/balance. Don't care if the shaft feels like it got ran over by a truck, tip and weight - that's all that matters.

That being said, if I could afford it - I would have walls full of fancy cues, I enjoy the craftsmanship

I'm the same way. Right balance, weight and tip..... I'm good to go.

As for having a bunch of collectable cues..... I'm not sure I could have cues for art. They would be all dinged up within a few months...

I can't stand not playing with all of my cues from time to time.

That's one of my problems. I change cues, shafts, extensions etc... so often, it's hard to get used to "one" cue.

There's no cure....lol