iconcue said:
Not for 3 years my accountant says.. lol
Joe
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Not for 3 years my accountant says.. lol
Joe
cueaddicts said:
Didn't I say that like 2 pages ago?!
Lisa
ridewiththewind said:Didn't I say that like 2 pages ago?!
Lisa
Its absolutely C but with some influence from A and B. Which is supply and demand.. more collectors less cues to go around.
Its all good.. I just don't like being called out on one cue when its not a fair overall comparison. No one says anything when we break even, like on a certain ahem Jacoby, or lose a few dollars in the process.
Joe
classiccues said:
I, for one, do appreciate the other side of business that is often not mentioned here or anywhere. Dealing in cues is, in particular, a speculative business. You can have lucrative, as well as not-so lucrative, transactions. And that needs to be factored into the total overhead of running a business. Good food for thought.
I guess my definition of consumer is broader than what is being considered here. Unless collectors are getting their cues at wholesale, then I would consider them in the consumer side of things. Collectors are just consumers on a grander scale. They just have the ability to control the rate of demand by reducing supply much quicker than it may happen naturally otherwise.
Lisa
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no, the answer is the law of supply and demand.classiccues said:
which is more complex and would include more variables than a, b, and c
as far as the cue it was just the most recent example.
their is nothing fair in the amount of profit asked for by the broker versus the amount of profit received by the maker.
what i stated was that the maker should have the priviledge to benefit from the market price without being considered a price gouger or greedy as opposed to having the lions share of the profits go to a broker or speculator.
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yes hal, the american way.Hal said:
are you saying "the american way" doesnt apply to cue makers?
shouldnt they be allowed to charge the market rate for their cues and profit from the market rate for their cues?
or are you saying they should charge substantially less than market so a dealer or speculator that had nothing to do with making the cue could make substantially more profit than the maker themselves?
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you are way oversimplifying it! if they ask near market price they would be labeled greedy. so they ask less than they could otherwise receive so as not to be considered greedy. and then brokers and speculators ask for what the maker could have received they end up making more profit than the maker. again i'm only referring to highly sought after makers.Hal said:
you don't see the predicament cue makers would be in by asking market?
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iconcue said:
Jeff,
Again, if the cuemakers weren't happy with what they are making, don't you think they would just raise the prices? Would you label them greedy?
Joe
iconcue said:
Jeff,
Yes, supply = cuemaker / demand=collectors. So oversimplifying it, is saying supply/demand. Again, no one is saying the cuemaker cannot raise his prices. So I don't think you can penalize people in the secondary market. When a hot car or motorcycle comes out and the dealers get more than sticker, do you tell the dealers to mail the overcharge to the carmaker?
Joe
classiccues said:
It's just like a few years back when the new Mini Coopers came out. Sticker price was like $19,500. Consumers had to be put on long order lists and dealers were selling the cars for anywhere from $23,000-$30,000. Heck, some buyers that happened to get theirs early were turning around and selling them for a profit (after they figured out that someone over 6' tall had trouble fitting in them).
It's all about consumers....if no one is willing to pay price X over the cuemaker's price, then there would be no discussion of a "retail" vs. "secondary" market.
Just my opinion.
Sean
cueaddicts said:It's just like a few years back when the new Mini Coopers came out. Sticker price was like $19,500. Consumers had to be put on long order lists and dealers were selling the cars for anywhere from $23,000-$30,000. Heck, some buyers that happened to get theirs early were turning around and selling them for a profit (after they figured out that someone over 6' tall had trouble fitting in them).
It's all about consumers....if no one is willing to pay price X over the cuemaker's price, then there would be no discussion of a "retail" vs. "secondary" market.
Just my opinion.
Sean
And furthermore, I'm not saying this is wrong....that's just the state of the market. Because of the demand, some guys' stuff is just hard as hell to get. Heck, I would pay more than a cuemaker's retail for the right cue. That's because I also have the approach of collector.
classiccues said:
a- cuemakers and their waiting lists
without the cuemaker/waiting list, the rest does not exist.
what is the secondary market for a ginacue if ernie's work were only ok and he could only sell 30% of what he made. answer: there is NO secondary market
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