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The age old desire to have and possess something the other guy doesn't have.
It's the same basic desire, when people get on e-bay with a Hercek and say the waiting list is 5 or 7 years "but you can have one now".
When the idea that the other guy is jealous of something you have is more satisfying to you than the feeling you get of actually owning the object, then you are a collector.
It's the same basic desire, when people get on e-bay with a Hercek and say the waiting list is 5 or 7 years "but you can have one now".
When the idea that the other guy is jealous of something you have is more satisfying to you than the feeling you get of actually owning the object, then you are a collector.
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joe, "the law of supply and demand" is a very broad concept. you are stating the variables needed to figure it. there are more variables than you are stating to properly figure it in this application.classiccues said:
so, yes, again, you are oversimplifying it.
i also never said anything about penalizing people in the secondary market.
first a house and now cars. i dont think either make for a good analogy but if a car remains hot on the retail level what does the oem do the very next year - raise the price to compensate.
all i'm saying is cue makers should be afforded the same priviledge but fear they will be labeled price gougers.
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once again sean it is not all about consumers. facts are facts and you are mistaken.cueaddicts said:It's just like a few years back when the new Mini Coopers came out. Sticker price was like $19,500. Consumers had to be put on long order lists and dealers were selling the cars for anywhere from $23,000-$30,000. Heck, some buyers that happened to get theirs early were turning around and selling them for a profit (after they figured out that someone over 6' tall had trouble fitting in them).
It's all about consumers....if no one is willing to pay price X over the cuemaker's price, then there would be no discussion of a "retail" vs. "secondary" market.
Just my opinion.
Sean
This is a very interesting thread and I believe there is truth to A, B, & C which puts me in the D category. I do believe the hot cue makers have created a very good market for their cues by letting people on a waiting list without any deposit. That alone can create a much higher demand than supply thus not just driving up prices on the secondary market but creating a very good long term business for the particular cuemaker. I’ll bet if Southwest started charging a third to one half down up front the 7 year wait would decrease significantly and Southwest would not be the hot item they are now. Actually very smart business to feed the marketplace as they have done. There are other cuemakers who have jumped on that same concept.
iconcue said:
Well someone is going to be labeled greedy, so who cares who it is.
I still say if they weren't happy, they would raise their prices... simple as that.
Joe
iconcue said:
and cuemakers prices go up every year. So even if you call it over simplifying, it is what happens. They do have the same priviledge, no one is stopping them from raising their prices.
I have to ask you Jeff, whats your mark up on bikes? Could you come down? Would you kick back to the manufacturer? I mean Harley dealers have been gouging for years, but why? Because of the yuppies with more money than than they know what to do with buying bikes at a record pace.
Joe
Well,something is up. I have read many times in the forums how rounded points,copy cues,and other things really de-value a new cue. So why am I looking at a cue website with photos of high priced,impossible to get,everybody want's one type cue/cuemaker and all of these objections are present in the cue? Seems like a tremendous JOKE to me.
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the huffy's we usually get around 5% and the schwinn's about 7%. why do you ask?classiccues said:
but once again joe, you oversimplify! yes harley dealers have been asking and getting high prices for years. but not for the reason you mention. it's because after the buyers were finished with them they could get what they paid or more on resale. which was not the case with other makers. and harley has steadily increased both price and production which has made other makers very happy.
iconcue said:
WRONG! Wrong, wrong wrong!!! Having ridden motorcycles and owning 4 of my own, including two Harleys, I can most definitely say it is due to gouging, straight-up.
There are in fact, many Harley dealerships across this great country of ours who still happen to charge MSRP for their bikes. As soon as you get anywhere close to a big metropolitan area, the gouging begins! Higher population, lower supply. You're guaranteed, on average a generalized mark-up of 2500 to 5000.00...depending on the model you are buying.
Why do the used bikes often sell for more than new? When all is said and done, a good deal of Harley owners will easily add the initial cost of their bikes again in the form of performance modifications to the engine and chrome and leather goodies.
Lisa
SPINTHEBALL said:
Rounded points do suck.. lol
Copy cues.. no problem there....
Whats the problem.. lol
Joe
iconcue said:
There is no over simplifying .. its the way it is. Your example is exactly what happens with the cues. Even if someone uses a Barry S they can get more than they paid. So you are exactly making the point. Dealers gouge the prices because of the people who are willing to pay that price.
Joe
Thank you!!!
Thank you to all who responded to my recent thread and the subsequent spin-off thread by Joe that was created. I feel better having those thoughts out there in the universe. I am taking a break from the whole cue pursuit because I cannot afford what I would like and the waiting lists are closed. So I will be leaving the forum as I need to get back to things Ive neglected while on my pool cue journey. I appreciate all of the dealings Ive had here--not one problem!!! Ive had a blast here talking cues with you all on the forum. Without this there would be a lot of people on ebay ripping people off (I was a victim), so please keep policing. I will pop in now and then to read some and hope that one day things will be peaceful around the world and that all will play pool and drop their arms.
Be well have a safe and wondrous holiday, a prosperous 2006, and do right by one another.
Sincere regards,
Paulybatz
Thank you to all who responded to my recent thread and the subsequent spin-off thread by Joe that was created. I feel better having those thoughts out there in the universe. I am taking a break from the whole cue pursuit because I cannot afford what I would like and the waiting lists are closed. So I will be leaving the forum as I need to get back to things Ive neglected while on my pool cue journey. I appreciate all of the dealings Ive had here--not one problem!!! Ive had a blast here talking cues with you all on the forum. Without this there would be a lot of people on ebay ripping people off (I was a victim), so please keep policing. I will pop in now and then to read some and hope that one day things will be peaceful around the world and that all will play pool and drop their arms.
Be well have a safe and wondrous holiday, a prosperous 2006, and do right by one another.
Sincere regards,
Paulybatz