Who is the best rotation player alive today?

[lewdo26]

What exactly does "driving the same OB to the same cushion" mean? You need have the OB hit a particular cushion for it to be a safe? What do you mean by "same cushion"? Maybe I'm just misunderstanding. Please clarify...thanks.

Hey, jsp. I was referring to the typical stalemate situation in which the same safety is played by both players over and over: tapping a nearly frozen OB to the cushion and leaving the CB on top of it. Then the other guy taps the nearly frozen OB again... repeat.

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Let me know if I was clear this time.

 

[JohnPT]

In Filipino rules, after your opponent commits a foul, do you have the option of letting your opponent shoot again? I'm assuming this is so, since there are situations where ball in hand in the kitchen or shooting as it lays is a total disadvantage to you if your opponent fouls.

no. you'll just have to choose the lesser evil: shoot it as it is or shoot the spot behind the line. on a regular turn, not following a scratch or foul, if the ball cannot be hit without being kicked at you have the option to have the ball spotted with the opponent shooting from behind the line.

 

[JoeyInCali]

In Filipino rules, after your opponent commits a foul, do you have the option of letting your opponent shoot again? I'm assuming this is so, since there are situations where ball in hand in the kitchen or shooting as it lays is a total disadvantage to you if your opponent fouls.

No.
This is where sportsmanship is observed. You can't shoot a wrong ball in so if the other shooter spots the lowest numbered ball will have another ball behind it on the spot. You do that, you might get a butterfly knife stuck in your back.

 

[bud green]

Anyone else think yaffabernstein is yet another name for Fast Larry?

How in the hell can you be so sure the guy didn't see Efren run 5 racks if he was there and you weren't?

 

[yaffabernstein]

Anyone else think yaffabernstein is yet another name for Fast Larry?

How in the hell can you be so sure the guy didn't see Efren run 5 racks if he was there and you weren't?

Bud, it has been written dozens of times over the years Efrens high run was 4 racks, he also has confirmed that directly to me so that is the fact dude. When people make crap up or post incorrect information they love to make up, I try to set the record right. It some time goes over poorly, but that is the way the cookie crumbles. Lie and I bust you dude. So tell the truth and dont make up crap as you go along cause I am watching...Just admit you were wrong and move on, dont make a federal case out of this. We all make mistakes.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Bud, it has been written dozens of times over the years Efrens high run was 4 racks, he also has confirmed that directly to me so that is the fact dude. When people make crap up or post incorrect information they love to make up, I try to set the record right. It some time goes over poorly, but that is the way the cookie crumbles. Lie and I bust you dude. So tell the truth and dont make up crap as you go along cause I am watching...Just admit you were wrong and move on, dont make a federal case out of this. We all make mistakes.

It was 5 at Hard Times, Bellflower.
He got tough on the 8 in the sixth rack and missed.
I trust my sources than I trust you.
You can call cuemaker Al Romero if you want.

 

[yaffabernstein]

It was 5 at Hard Times, Bellflower.
He got tough on the 8 in the sixth rack and missed.
I trust my sources than I trust you.
You can call cuemaker Al Romero if you want.

Efren told me is was 4 dude, call him if you speak spanish as I do, sorry your source is dead wrong. Dont trust hustlers who make up stories and never stick by them. When they tell stories, the fish grows, in time this guys story will have him running 10 racks, that is what they do.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Efren told me is was 4 dude, call him if you speak spanish as I do, sorry your source is dead wrong. Dont trust hustlers who make up stories and never stick by them. When they tell stories, the fish grows, in time this guys story will have him running 10 racks, that is what they do.

You just lost all your credibility there Larry.
Efren doesn't speak Spanish.
He speaks Tagalog, Kapampangan and English.

 

[jsp]

Efren told me is was 4 dude, call him if you speak spanish as I do...

Bwahahahahaha! Wahahahaha!

.....Hold on, let me catch my breath...

Bwahahahahaha! Phew....

Man, thanks for the laugh.

 

[yaffabernstein]

You just lost all your credibility there Larry.
Efren doesn't speak Spanish.
He speaks Tagalog, Kapampangan and English.

Try and carry on an intelligent converesation with him in English. Lots of luck. More than 170 languages are spoken in the country, almost all of them belonging to the Western Malayo-Polynesian language group of the Austronesian language family. The Filipino language is a standardized dialect based on Tagalog that incorporates common words from other Philippine languages. According to the 1987 Constitution, Filipino and English are both the official languages. The twelve major regional languages are auxiliary languages of their respective regions, each with over one million speakers: Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilokano, Hiligaynon, Waray-Waray, Bikol, Kapampangan, Pangasinan, Kinaray-a, Maranao, Maguindanao, and Tausug.

The use of Spanish in the Philippines has declined since American rule but the Spanish language has historical and cultural significance in the Philippines, a legacy of centuries of Spanish colonization. It ceased to be an official language in 1973 and ceased to be part of the college curriculum in 1987 but is perceived as the language of the elite. According to the 1990 census, there are 2,658 Spanish speakers and 292,630 speakers of Chavacano, a Spanish-based creole language. Thousands of Spanish loanwords have been adopted into Philippine languages, and there are around 13 million Spanish documents in the Philippine archives. Courts of law still recognize documents written in Spanish. However, the common consensus is that Spanish is no longer a living and working language in the Philippines.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Try and carry on an intelligent converesation with him in English. Lots of luck. More than 170 languages are spoken in the country, almost all of them belonging to the Western Malayo-Polynesian language group of the Austronesian language family. The Filipino language is a standardized dialect based on Tagalog that incorporates common words from other Philippine languages. According to the 1987 Constitution, Filipino and English are both the official languages. The twelve major regional languages are auxiliary languages of their respective regions, each with over one million speakers: Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilokano, Hiligaynon, Waray-Waray, Bikol, Kapampangan, Pangasinan, Kinaray-a, Maranao, Maguindanao, and Tausug.

The use of Spanish in the Philippines has declined since American rule but the Spanish language has historical and cultural significance in the Philippines, a legacy of centuries of Spanish colonization. It ceased to be an official language in 1973 and ceased to be part of the college curriculum in 1987 but is perceived as the language of the elite. According to the 1990 census, there are 2,658 Spanish speakers and 292,630 speakers of Chavacano, a Spanish-based creole language. Thousands of Spanish loanwords have been adopted into Philippine languages, and there are around 13 million Spanish documents in the Philippine archives. Courts of law still recognize documents written in Spanish. However, the common consensus is that Spanish is no longer a living and working language in the Philippines.

Nice try.
Efren is from the North where Spanish is not spoken.
The Chavacanos are from Zamboanga.
Castillan Spanish is still spoken where my grampa came from, the Negros province.
Efren speaks elementary level english with a thick accent and wouldn't understand you if you said, " mi llamo Larry ".

 

[cueball1950]

I thought it was 11 racks...now see what you have done to me. there goes my IDOL....lmao..................mike

 

[Nostroke]

Efren, as most know, practices by throwing out 15 balls and running them in order. Maybe he ran 5 that way but this is not the game 'Rotation'.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I actually just picked up the BCA rule book and they say nothing of the sort. Incoming player may accept balls in position after a foul or require the offending player to shoot again. If the CB is jumped off the table or after a scratch, incoming player has ball in hand in the kitchen, lowest numbered ball may be spotted at his request if behind the head string. Even in the above situation, incoming player may request offender to shoot again.

Sidenotes:
a) 3 consecutive fouls is loss of game like in 9 ball;
b) only two safeties per player allowed by driving the same OB to the same cushion (in 14.1 it's 3);
c) in case of a 60-60 tie, the player who pocketed the last OB legally wins the game.
d) open break is required;
e) a ball must be pocketed or driven to a cushion like all games (other than snooker, that is);
f) all jumped or illegally pocketed balls spot;

Fascinating! why would Filipinos want to play anything else? Well, maybe straight pool and one pocket are on a par in complexity level.

It's the Filipino Bar Rules rotation.
60-60 is a tie.
No 3-foul rule.
I've seen guys inch a ball on the rail several times. There goes the 2-safety rule.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Efren, as most know, practices by throwing out 15 balls and running them in order. Maybe he ran 5 that way but this is not the game 'Rotation'.

Yes, he did.
In the Philippines, it'd be hard to run 5 in a row since they flip the coin after the game.

 

[yaffabernstein]

Nice try.
Efren is from the North where Spanish is not spoken.
The Chavacanos are from Zamboanga.
Castillan Spanish is still spoken where my grampa came from, the Negros province.
Efren speaks elementary level english with a thick accent and wouldn't understand you if you said, " mi llamo Larry ".

He would if you said rapido lorenzo...

Lets argue about this, I say, he's the best rotation player ever and in the world today.

 

[bandido]

Try and carry on an intelligent converesation with him in English. Lots of luck. More than 170 languages are spoken in the country, almost all of them belonging to the Western Malayo-Polynesian language group of the Austronesian language family. The Filipino language is a standardized dialect based on Tagalog that incorporates common words from other Philippine languages. According to the 1987 Constitution, Filipino and English are both the official languages. The twelve major regional languages are auxiliary languages of their respective regions, each with over one million speakers: Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilokano, Hiligaynon, Waray-Waray, Bikol, Kapampangan, Pangasinan, Kinaray-a, Maranao, Maguindanao, and Tausug.

The use of Spanish in the Philippines has declined since American rule but the Spanish language has historical and cultural significance in the Philippines, a legacy of centuries of Spanish colonization. It ceased to be an official language in 1973 and ceased to be part of the college curriculum in 1987 but is perceived as the language of the elite. According to the 1990 census, there are 2,658 Spanish speakers and 292,630 speakers of Chavacano, a Spanish-based creole language. Thousands of Spanish loanwords have been adopted into Philippine languages, and there are around 13 million Spanish documents in the Philippine archives. Courts of law still recognize documents written in Spanish. However, the common consensus is that Spanish is no longer a living and working language in the Philippines.

Googled "Languages in the Philippines" ey? Efren doesn't speak Spanish, he doesn't even want to sing Amor,Amor,Amor when we went to a videoke bar. Try not to argue with Joey about Efren as Efren spends quite a bit of time with Joey whenever he is in California. But you are right that He's the best rotation player.

 

[jay helfert]

Try and carry on an intelligent converesation with him in English. Lots of luck. More than 170 languages are spoken in the country, almost all of them belonging to the Western Malayo-Polynesian language group of the Austronesian language family. The Filipino language is a standardized dialect based on Tagalog that incorporates common words from other Philippine languages. According to the 1987 Constitution, Filipino and English are both the official languages. The twelve major regional languages are auxiliary languages of their respective regions, each with over one million speakers: Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilokano, Hiligaynon, Waray-Waray, Bikol, Kapampangan, Pangasinan, Kinaray-a, Maranao, Maguindanao, and Tausug.

The use of Spanish in the Philippines has declined since American rule but the Spanish language has historical and cultural significance in the Philippines, a legacy of centuries of Spanish colonization. It ceased to be an official language in 1973 and ceased to be part of the college curriculum in 1987 but is perceived as the language of the elite. According to the 1990 census, there are 2,658 Spanish speakers and 292,630 speakers of Chavacano, a Spanish-based creole language. Thousands of Spanish loanwords have been adopted into Philippine languages, and there are around 13 million Spanish documents in the Philippine archives. Courts of law still recognize documents written in Spanish. However, the common consensus is that Spanish is no longer a living and working language in the Philippines.

Too bad we can't say the same for you.