Among top players, don't you think the most aggressive may be the best bet?
Who makes the best one pocket players?
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Among top players, don't you think the most aggressive may be the best bet?
1p today is much better than before hence its rising populairty, players are better shooters pockets are tighter
a friend of mine gave me a dvd one pocket after hours with grady v efren it was pretty good it got me into it because grady was just typical old guard 1p player trying to defense and have balls on his side
efren haad just started playing and was way more creative but got out so much better
therefore today players can execute way more and when they get that starter ball typically there out
i think its funny how shane keeps getting brought into this mix
i know he got to US open final last year in 1p but whaat else
he couldnt beat frost getting weight
he got torched by alex at 2g a game at hardtimes
accu stats i think even thorsten beat him
pagulayan, frost, efren, busty, corey i think in the top level then you have second tier
svb gentile bergman appleton smith chohan hall etc schmidt etc
a friend of mine gave me a dvd one pocket after hours with grady v efren it was pretty good it got me into it because grady was just typical old guard 1p player trying to defense and have balls on his side
efren haad just started playing and was way more creative but got out so much better
therefore today players can execute way more and when they get that starter ball typically there out
i think its funny how shane keeps getting brought into this mix
i know he got to US open final last year in 1p but whaat else
he couldnt beat frost getting weight
he got torched by alex at 2g a game at hardtimes
accu stats i think even thorsten beat him
pagulayan, frost, efren, busty, corey i think in the top level then you have second tier
svb gentile bergman appleton smith chohan hall etc schmidt etc
I think that all other things being close to equal the best 1pocket player is the guy with the best table sense.
It's the guy who can factor in all the pertinent elements: the conditions, table, pockets, cloth, rails, balls, how he's playing and his opponent's strengths and weaknesses, and the current score of the game and session/set.
Lou Figueroa
It's the guy who can factor in all the pertinent elements: the conditions, table, pockets, cloth, rails, balls, how he's playing and his opponent's strengths and weaknesses, and the current score of the game and session/set.
Lou Figueroa
I'm not arguing with you on what you said, but Shane did win the DCC 1-pocket 2 years in a row (2011 & 12) winning the all around both years. I think that's what started the discussion.
Dave
well the all round doesnt apply here as shanes 9ball is nbit in question
like on previous post he is up there i think 2nd tier
because he himself wont play scott unless its the saame game they plaayed in vega for 33 hours with and broke even
it was 9-8 scott gave him
also watch him get torched from alex at hawrdtimes on youtube for 4 hours playing 1p 2g a game
again one of the best players in the world for sure but premature to put him in the frost efren pags daulton bracket already i think
Key ingredients for sure Lou, but you left out one of the most important elements in playing the game of one pocket..That is 'imagination'!..I have seen The best players in the world, become very average at 1P, not only due to maybe not knowing the game well, but woefully lacking in creativity and imagination!
It is difficult to explain, but simply put, it is the inability to see shots, that will often turn a game completely around !..That is why there are so many good 1P player's, who easily overcome 'great' pool player's..Its because they DO have great imaginations, and will always spot the best shot first.. And, it is quite often, a simple 'two way' shot, which may not even require exceptional skill to execute.
Thats what makes 1P, (as Lenny says)..the best, most challenging game on a pool table ! :thumbup:
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Again, no argument as I agree with much of your assessment, but maybe you missed the part of my statement that answered your question directly: "Shane did win the DCC 1-pocket 2 years in a row (2011 & 12)"
Peace.
Dick -
To me, it appears that Efren changed the game, I didn't get to see Ronnie play, did he make the same change (or as significant) to the game as Efren?
I always enjoy your posts and perspectives.
Ken
Ken, in IMO, Efren overlooks a lot of shots, he simply plays so well, he can shoot the dead wrong shot, and make it work for him !..I give Ronnie credit for bringing one pocket to the masses, with his 'seemingly' reckless style, and color !..He was actually NOT reckless at all, he played a very controlled game !
Ronnie was a much better mover than Efren, and his creativity and imagination was unequalled !..I think he would have prevailed, in a long tough session. (in their primes)..But I guess we'll never know for sure, will we ?
PS..I also think RA, in his prime, would have easily overcome almost all the current crop of top 1P player's, with the possible exception of Alex !
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I'll tell you what else makes a good One Pocket player. Uncommon good looks.
Like me and Dick, for example. Suave, debonair, men about town. Always looking for action and usually finding it. Dressed to the nines. Armed with ten foot poles to fight off the chicks. I'm telling ya, it's a tough life out there, but we're just the guys that can do it.
As long as we're home by 10 PM.
Like me and Dick, for example. Suave, debonair, men about town. Always looking for action and usually finding it. Dressed to the nines. Armed with ten foot poles to fight off the chicks. I'm telling ya, it's a tough life out there, but we're just the guys that can do it.
As long as we're home by 10 PM.
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I pretty much agree. Efren did not just run out, he often ran out shooting what old time one pocket players considered the wrong shot! Instead of taking a simple cross corner bank to his hole, he would often get behind the object ball with perfect speed or tiki behind it making a better angle for himself for position on the next shot.
Having been on the wrong end playing or betting against RA, I also believe he would have given Efren all he wanted. They did play multiple times when RA was past his prime and getting weight and Efren usually prevailed.
RA turned traps into offensive shots better than anybody that played the game. He loved big pockets because he could send multiple balls towards his hole. His game did suffer with the smaller pockets and it doesn't seem to slow Efren down much.
I have been lucky enough to see both play in their prime many times. Watching Alex at DCC and the recent tournament at Buffalo Billiards also ranks up there.
" I must spread some reputation around before giving it to Mr. SJD"
I guess good post will have to do.
I'd agree with that, SJD.
It's a funny thing but I believe everyone "sees" the same table layout differently. Some guys just see the safe and sane while others see beyond that, thinking at a completely different level. Certainly RA had that, as evidenced by his ability to move huge numbers of balls towards his hole, a few others perhaps. Efren also sees things differently but I think with a greater emphasis on the defensive side, often finding a creative series of shots will make his opponent lose. Alas, some guys just do not have the imagination gene.
Lou Figueroa
Well, out of the several dozen really great 1P player's I've known, I will agree, the Phillipines, have created a few really good ones !..But, not near as many as Texas and Oklahoma consistently produce ! (and, they are very close, population-wise)
