Who makes the Best Rack

Amusingly enough I introduced the league I play in to the magic rack and the argument is being made the magic rack favors the better player.....



incidentally by the team with arguably 3 of the 5 best players in the league on it...


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RShellhouse said:
Amusingly enough I introduced the league I play in to the magic rack and the argument is being made the magic rack favors the better player.....
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In general, yes. The break is the most random shot in a game of rotation. Anything that makes the break more predictable is helpful to a runout player.

When I played 10-ball with a magic rack for the first time a few weeks ago, I was blown away by how predictable it was. Once I got the break dialed in I had the second ball wired into the side pocket. Think I made that ball 6 out of 7 breaks in the league match, and held shape on the 1 ball. If not for my sucky runout skills I could've been stringing packages without difficulty.
 
RShellhouse said:
Amusingly enough I introduced the league I play in to the magic rack and the argument is being made the magic rack favors the better player.....



incidentally by the team with arguably 3 of the 5 best players in the league on it...


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I have very mixed feelings about magic rack. After using it from time to time, I gotta say, I think the pros outweigh the cons. I really do love racking up the balls in under 5 seconds KNOWING there is almost nothing I can do to rig the rack. I've had nights when racking the balls took minutes. It would totally kill the momentum. As the breaker, I hated waiting. As the racker, it kills my back and annoys the hell out of me. Magic rack just solves it.

The only con to magic rack is that it's arguably too easy to pocket balls on the break. I honestly don't know what the actual statistics are but I'd be interested to see. I'm sure out of 100 breaks, the magic rack will probably add an additional 5-10 breaks with pocketed balls but it will also eliminate nearly all slugs (also between 5 and 10). Personally, I think this isn't a bad trade.

Does it give the better player an advantage? Probably. But, then again, the better player already had an advantage by being better, right?
 
of all that i have tried i like the delta 13 for conventional racks and the magic rack is the only template rack i have used and i like it. i would like to try a few more of the template racks.
it is easier to make balls on a template rack for sure. and the benefit of not having to take a day and a half to get a rack both guys can agree on is nice.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I have very mixed feelings about magic rack. After using it from time to time, I gotta say, I think the pros outweigh the cons. I really do love racking up the balls in under 5 seconds KNOWING there is almost nothing I can do to rig the rack. I've had nights when racking the balls took minutes. It would totally kill the momentum. As the breaker, I hated waiting. As the racker, it kills my back and annoys the hell out of me. Magic rack just solves it.

The only con to magic rack is that it's arguably too easy to pocket balls on the break. I honestly don't know what the actual statistics are but I'd be interested to see. I'm sure out of 100 breaks, the magic rack will probably add an additional 5-10 breaks with pocketed balls but it will also eliminate nearly all slugs (also between 5 and 10). Personally, I think this isn't a bad trade.

Does it give the better player an advantage? Probably. But, then again, the better player already had an advantage by being better, right?
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I am by no means a runout player...not yet at least...so to me reducing the rack time on either side is a good thing. I once had a guy who did not want me to use the magic rack for him in a tournament and had me rerack over 7 times to get a rack he was "pleased" with...it took about 5 minutes every break to rack..

I tend to break with control anyhow but no soft breaks either...I think the pros outweigh the cons as well and that i have a hard time understanding why anyone would have a issue with a tight rack every time.

The fact is any good rack can be broken right....we are so used to accepting mediocre racks for whatever reason that good racks seem unusual and wrong.. now if you demand a tight rack without a magic rack...this can take forever ..hold up league...and mark you as an a*&hole ...so you take the best you can get....and suffer...

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RShellhouse said:
I am by no means a runout player...not yet at least...so to me reducing the rack time on either side is a good thing. I once had a guy who did not want me to use the magic rack for him in a tournament and had me rerack over 7 times to get a rack he was "pleased" with...it took about 5 minutes every break to rack..

I tend to break with control anyhow but no soft breaks either...I think the pros outweigh the cons as well and that i have a hard time understanding why anyone would have a issue with a tight rack every time.

The fact is any good rack can be broken right....we are so used to accepting mediocre racks for whatever reason that good racks seem unusual and wrong.. now if you demand a tight rack without a magic rack...this can take forever ..hold up league...and mark you as an a*&hole ...so you take the best you can get....and suffer...

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I'll say this much - in a poolroom with amateur players (even Open level), using a magic rack is just a convenience. With professionals, I think the cons begin to outweigh the pros a bit but if you're playing on new equipment, one can argue there is almost no difference.

When I was in Vegas playing in the BCAPL team event one year, a bit of a discussion happened while I was playing on the other table about the rack. My teammate refused to break until his opponent got it just right. The guy finally did and my teammate broke and ran-out. I was clueless to this entire conversation because I was playing. When it was my turn to play the same guy, I racked the balls for him and he said, "The 4 and 14 aren't frozen". I looked at the rack confused and then realized the two balls he was referring to were in the middle of the back row. Now, this is 8-ball. I can understand the corners but these two balls were meaningless so I knew he was just getting me to rerack the balls for exercise. Without hesitation, I dropped the rack on the balls, proceeded to walk to my chair and said to him, "Rack for yourself." He racked them up and proceeded to scratch on the break. I ran out. As comical a story as this may be, had there been the magic rack, none of this would have happened. The world would simply be at peace.
 
Corey said it best...

"My theory on the break shot? It's just like any other shot: You want to make a ball and get position." Deuel says. "I wouldn't shoot a shot in the middle of the game where I slam all the balls and hope to get lucky, so why would I do that on the break? It makes no sense." http://www.billiardsdigest.com/new_current_issue/sep_11/story_3.php


The magic rack makes the break a skill shot not a hit it 9 million miles an hour and hope...Guy i was playing breaks and make 4 on the break...and doesnt get out...the good rack made the balls explode...but he had no control of the cue ball...


Shane practices breaking for hours at a stretch making his 10 ball break a dominating factor in the game.

I am no Shane but I just see no reason my practice and hard work should be discounted with a bad rack...

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jrt30004 said:
of all that i have tried i like the delta 13 for conventional racks and the magic rack is the only template rack i have used and i like it. i would like to try a few more of the template racks.
it is easier to make balls on a template rack for sure. and the benefit of not having to take a day and a half to get a rack both guys can agree on is nice.
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Renfros Accu rack is amazing , worn cloth and balls and they still freeze up nice . I haven't used my magic rack since
 
As a disclaimer, CSI is the distributor for the Magic Ball Rack.

I only affiliate with wht I feel are the BEST products.
(That is why I am affilaited with Diamond too).

Magic Ball is the best that is available for multiple uses.
Both amateur and pro.

It eliminates the racking issues.
There are cons - but the pro outweigh it.

As far as other templates.
ONLY an authenticate MBR will be allowed to be used in any CSI (BCAPL, USAPL) events.

Pleae keep that in mind when you decide to purchase on endorse a priduct.

The reason for this is that CSI can personally attest to the quality control and intengrity of the rack.

I cannot do that with any other rack.

As far as convential racks, the Delta 13 is the best.

Mark Griffin
 
Mark Griffin said:
As a disclaimer, CSI is the distributor for the Magic Ball Rack.

I only affiliate with wht I feel are the BEST products.
(That is why I am affilaited with Diamond too).

Magic Ball is the best that is available for multiple uses.
Both amateur and pro.

It eliminates the racking issues.
There are cons - but the pro outweigh it.

As far as other templates.
ONLY an authenticate MBR will be allowed to be used in any CSI (BCAPL, USAPL) events.

Pleae keep that in mind when you decide to purchase on endorse a priduct.

The reason for this is that CSI can personally attest to the quality control and intengrity of the rack.

I cannot do that with any other rack.

As far as convential racks, the Delta 13 is the best.

Mark Griffin
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Just because you are distributor players should not be warned not to endorse
any other template racks. So there should be only 1 cue maker I guess.
Pretty dumb post coming from you
 
peteypooldude said:
Just because you are distributor players should not be warned not to endorse
any other template racks. So there should be only 1 cue maker I guess.
Pretty dumb post coming from you
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I think you're misinterpreting the intent of his post. CSI endorses the Magic Rack and allows them to be used in all CSI competitions. CSI also decides which other products can be used during their competitions. If you choose to buy a product not endorsed by CSI, you should know that you may not be allowed to use it. That's not to say they will never be endorsed by CSI but given the fact that everyone is always inventing something for pool, there has to be a degree of quality control.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I think you're misinterpreting the intent of his post. CSI endorses the Magic Rack and allows them to be used in all CSI competitions. CSI also decides which other products can be used during their competitions. If you choose to buy a product not endorsed by CSI, you should know that you may not be allowed to use it. That's not to say they will never be endorsed by CSI but given the fact that everyone is always inventing something for pool, there has to be a degree of quality control.
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Maybe I should read it again. I appreciate what Mark and Csi does for pool but it really came off like he is advising players not to "endorse" ??? another template rack. If not I apologize. If that's in fact what he meant then... Well I don't agree with it. Not knocking their efforts I just don't like that sort of move.. If it was one
 
Jude,

Thanks for explaining that.

This was put out there to threaten anyone.

For instance: There are several 'knock off' Magic racks out there.

I am just letting everyone know that they will NOT be allowed.
It is about quality.

If you know me than you understand it is about the integrity of the game.

I only got interested in the Magic Ball Rack because I could see that it creates a GOOD rack (and helps eliminate all the BS that is caused by standard racks).

Just like I only got nvolved with Diamond because they make the BEST table (particulary in the 7' bar model).

Just like I got involved with TAR because they were doing something the pool world needed.

If it was about making money, I would not even be in this industry!

Hope that helps explain things a little bit.

To Peteypooldude - I appreciate how you could interpret my post as you did, and I hope this helps explain my postiion.

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
 
The magic rack, and other templates work well. However, imo the magic rack causes the balls to slide away from their spots because there is virtually no friction so balls tend to be more wired in a particular path than when the balls roll and can generate some sort of rotation or spin. That's the only reason I feel the Outsville has the edge. I wish there was a way to test the pocketing percentage off the break of both.
Perhaps I'm wrong; just my opinion.
 
I'm sure these are two repetitive stupid questions on the magic rack to which I still haven't played on yet, but its almost 5 so hear me out...

1. What % of the time would you say a ball has to be moved to remove the rack after the break and put back into place?
2. Anyone have experience with a ball taking a different path after touching the magic rack post break?
 
I have a roller rack and I really like it. Keeps the table clean and has held up great for several years
 
Fk it....just ordered the Accu-Rack...was only $24 for all 3. Hopefully it works out well on building my fake confidence that I have skillz!
 
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