Who Will Be the Person to Beat Efren at One Pocket..

[smashmouth]

Shannon on his best day gets robbed playing even against Efren, any game

that's not meant to disrespect Shannon, that's almost anybody

throw in long sets and just forget about it

as mentioned earlier in this thread, one day an old Efren will lose to the next dominant one pocket player and we'll wonder if he would have won in his prime

 

[Renegade]

I guess everyone has seen the videos on youtube of blomdahl beating a young efren in both 9-ball and 1-pocket...whatever happened to that guy? and can we say that he's better than efren?

 

[rossaroni]

I guess everyone has seen the videos on youtube of blomdahl beating a young efren in both 9-ball and 1-pocket...whatever happened to that guy? and can we say that he's better than efren?

I know that they played 9-ball and billiards. I heard he retired from the sport after he beat Efren. He felt that there was nothing else to prove. jk Blomdahl is a 3 cushion champion. He beat Efren in 9-ball, but I don't think anyone would ever say that he is better then Efren at any pocket billiard game.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

Shannon on his best day gets robbed playing even against Efren, any game

that's not meant to disrespect Shannon, that's almost anybody

throw in long sets and just forget about it

as mentioned earlier in this thread, one day an old Efren will lose to the next dominant one pocket player and we'll wonder if he would have won in his prime

It's not very far from reality. besides, Efren is already giving some insane spots to top caliber players, including past 1P greats, so much more if it was Shannon. I believe some of us here know who they are. Top Dogs already don't wanna play Efren even in 1P (especially in money games). that would be suicide. As for Banks, eventhough Reyes says he's not that quite good in it, don't believe him unless you already saw and knew how well he banks. coz the fact is, he is that real good in banking the balls in small pockets. as for 9-ball, I give Reyes a slight edge when both players are playing their best. and as for 8-ball and 10-ball, it is obviously a Reyes show.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

I guess everyone has seen the videos on youtube of blomdahl beating a young efren in both 9-ball and 1-pocket...whatever happened to that guy? and can we say that he's better than efren?

That was not 1P, it was 3C billiards and 9Ball. I also liked Torbjorn but I cannot compare both players since they play different disciplines. the games they played were limited exhibition matches, thus we cannot put a conclusion on who is better on the sport unless both have already competed in the same discipline and tournament where they participated. still hands down to Torbjorn for 3C and Reyes for 1P.

 

[Renegade]

Ooops yeah, my bad. That was 3C they were playing. Seemed to me that Efren was definitely outclassed there. But then again, he still seemed pretty young in the video. Maybe he's kicked it up a notch.

 

[Russ Chewning]

Ooops yeah, my bad. That was 3C they were playing. Seemed to me that Efren was definitely outclassed there. But then again, he still seemed pretty young in the video. Maybe he's kicked it up a notch.

Dude,

Blomdahl dominated 3 Cushion to a degree no one outside Ceulemans and Hoppe has. Efren never has to get there playing 3C against him, no matter how young he was back then..

And as far as 9 ball exhibitions, they mean nothing. Exhibitions are done on strange tables sometimes. You can guarantee that if Efren were to gamble 9 ball with Blomdahl, they'd play on a nice, tight table, and Efren would rob him.

Exhibitions are about flashy shots and entertaining the crowd. Gambling is about locking the hammer down, and doing whatever you can to win each individual game..

Russ

 

[wayne]

We are talking about winning tournaments AND gambling, but first and foremost we are talking about the tournament side.

You would agree that tournament play is different than gambling, yes? And specifically, tournament one-pocket is different than gambling one-pocket, yes?

Either way, it does not matter. Shannon has no chance against Efren gambling, and in a one-pocket tournament match, Shannon beating Efren would be an upset. Either way, saying Shannon might be a contender to replace Efren is way out of the ballpark.

Russ

You were very disrespectful of Shannon and made a false statement about Efren. You said "Shannon won all of his one-pocket tourneys before Efren learned the game."

I pointed out the tourney in 1998 where Shannon played an incredible match to upset Efren and then went on to win the tourney. Efren was probably the best one-pocket player in the world at that time.

Instead of you taking your whupping like a man for making dumb statements you have a hissy fit and start coming up with things that were never mentioned like "Shannon being a contender to replace Efren", you made this up I never said it.

Now go sit in the corner and stf up or I will call on the big guns to shoot your weird statement down.

Show some respect for a great champion Shannon who against very tough odds played what may be the greatest match of his life to beat the best player in the world and then went on to win the tournament. A marvelous accomplishment that shouldn't be downgraded by anyone.

 

[Russ Chewning]

I pointed out the tourney in 1998 where Shannon played an incredible match to upset Efren and then went on to win the tourney. Efren was probably the best one-pocket player in the world at that time.

That may be, but he most DEFINITELY was not the best "tournament" one-pocket player in the world. In case you hadn't heard, as far as tournaments go, the last loser is still a loser.

Just because a player gets there gambling does not mean they can get there in tourneys. A lot of players once they get the money from gambling, "grow up" and decide they'd like something to show their kids, and prove they were a champion. Sorry if I did not make it clear. When we were speaking of Shannon's tournament wins, we were talking about TOURNAMENTS. Whether or not Efren was the best gambler at one-pocket makes no difference. He hadn't won a major one-pocket event. So, he wasn't seen as a top tournament one-pocket player.

Tournaments and gambling are totally separate. Back in the day, I would have bet on Jersey Red over Wimpy Lassiter after hours at one-pocket. Make it a tournament match, and I'd make Wimpy a 2-1 favorite.

Instead of you taking your whupping like a man for making dumb statements you have a hissy fit and start coming up with things that were never mentioned like "Shannon being a contender to replace Efren", you made this up I never said it.

You might want to look at the title of the thread. That was the whole point to my response, is that Shannon is no contender to replace Efren. You are arguing with me, so I took that to mean you think Shannon has a chance.

Now go sit in the corner and stf up or I will call on the big guns to shoot your weird statement down.

By all means, do so.. Because I am not going to "stf", as you so elegantly put it.

Show some respect for a great champion Shannon who against very tough odds played what may be the greatest match of his life to beat the best player in the world and then went on to win the tournament. A marvelous accomplishment that shouldn't be downgraded by anyone.

??? I do have respect for Shannon's game. I'm just saying if he enters the same one pocket event as Efren, he's playing for at best 2nd place.

And I beg to differ. Shannon was known as the best tournament one-pocket player before Efren learned how to win in one pocket events. It was EXPECTED for him to win, just as before Efren won his first U.S. Open, if he was playing Earl in the finals, it was EXPECTED for Earl to win. If he wins, yeah, it's an accomplishment, t it is not out of the ordinary.

Because Efren had not won a one-pocket event yet, Shannon was supposed to beat him. As soon as Efren won, everyone else (including Shannon) was playing for second.

Bring out dem big guns, son!

Russ

 

[td873]

There might be allot of different opinions on whos the Second best In One pocket... Well who do think will overcome Efren's dominance...

My pick Corey

The only person that will ever overcom Efren is Father Time. Until then, everyone can work for second place

-td

 

[wayne]

That may be, but he most DEFINITELY was not the best "tournament" one-pocket player in the world. In case you hadn't heard, as far as tournaments go, the last loser is still a loser.

Just because a player gets there gambling does not mean they can get there in tourneys.
Russ

I guess Efren learned how to play in 1 pocket tournaments 8 weeks later when he won Derby City.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

I can name that tune in 1 note ! Flame !

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Wayne I guess it's just you and me here that know how incredibly strong Shannon can play. Makes me wonder if Russ ever saw him play. Efren can't beat Shannon playing a long session of bank pool, provided that Shannon is on his game and has been playing alot like he used to.

By the way, I have that match you are talking about with Shannon and Efren, where Efren loses in the semifinals. Shannon's comeback was incredible!

 

[Russ Chewning]

Wayne I guess it's just you and me here that know how incredibly strong Shannon can play. Makes me wonder if Russ ever saw him play. Efren can't beat Shannon playing a long session of bank pool, provided that Shannon is on his game and has been playing alot like he used to.

By the way, I have that match you are talking about with Shannon and Efren, where Efren loses in the semifinals. Shannon's comeback was incredible!

I'm not saying Shannon can't play. I am just saying I favor Efren over Shannon playing ANY game. Including bank pool.

And to tell you the truth, I think in a long match of bank pool, Shannon's the one in trouble. A short match, and Shannon is a slight favorite. A long match, and Efren gets to play long enough to iron out kinks in his bank pool game. I gurantee you Shannon does not bank better than Efren does, and the only reason he has any advantage in a short race, is Shannon probably has superior tactical skills. Which Efren will pickup from him within an hour or two. Or three. Whatever it takes..

Russ

 

[mnorwood]

This thread has been an interesting debate. I think efren and shannon are great players. If I am not mistaken shannon was a master of the table at the dcc. If Shannon has any disadvantage over efren it is because efren plays 24/7 and shannon does not. From what I have read Shannon is not a full time player. However, if the the money was right and Shannon prepared enough I think the match would be a dead heat. Flip a coin. This is just my opinion, no harm is meant to either player, I respect them both.

Cheers,
Marcus

 

[wayne]

Wayne I guess it's just you and me here that know how incredibly strong Shannon can play. Makes me wonder if Russ ever saw him play. Efren can't beat Shannon playing a long session of bank pool, provided that Shannon is on his game and has been playing alot like he used to.

By the way, I have that match you are talking about with Shannon and Efren, where Efren loses in the semifinals. Shannon's comeback was incredible!

Russ seems fairly knowledgeable, his problem is when he makes a dumb statement and it is pointed out to him, he changes his story and tries to change yours. His statement about Shannon, that I originally challenged, simply wasn't true. Shannon beat Efren in that tournament when Efren was possibly at his best.
I have played both Shannon and Efren in one-pocket tournaments and they are both unbelievably talented. Efren is Efren but the thing I noticed about Shannon is when he is shooting he is fearless, no hesitation, no doubt. I am not sure who would win a bank pool match but I am sure Shannon would love to match up with Efren.
Another nice thing about playing either one of them is they are both complete gentlemen and very respectful of their opponents.