Who won the chess match???????

cueball1950

cueball1950

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OK... I know it is not pool related other than it concerns Efren Reyes But on Az billiards home page it was mentioned that Efren Reyes was going to play a Grand Master in chess in the Philippines, I was just wondering how he did?????? So any information from our friends on here from there would be greatly appreciated.......................mike
 
I feel almost like a chess fogey, despite my young age, because I haven't played chess tournaments in 8 years. But, "back in my days" the only Grandmaster in the Phillipines Efren could have played would have been Silent Torre. And, believe me, Efren would have lost.
 
Unless it was a one game do or die match I would expect efren to lose. Outside of the obvious skill of the Grandmasters they are masters of the psychological game as well.

Does anyone know what Efren's ELO rating is. I don't know how good he actually is. Usually when someone says that one person is really good, their rating usually amounts to either a 1000-1600, rarely more.

regards
 
What a great subject!!!!

What a great subject i started...lolol..no bashing... just intellegent chat. I don't know what Efrens rating is but i do know that there was a chess board set up outside the U S OPEN one year on one of the picnic tables and Efren was playing all comers. And i believe there were some jelly beans passed to him that day. I should have watched more. Maybe i could have learned something from watching him play....lolol.........mike
 
I heard 1800. Not very high... Even if it is 2200, however, he'd have no luck against Torre. Just think about it, any D+ player can show up at the hotel lobby holding a chess tournament, and beat anyone in the place... playing pool on the nearest barbox. :)
 
1800 ain't too shabby for a pool player. I've also heard people who've seen Efren play chess say he's in the 1800-2000 range. That is below master but shows an excellent basic understanding of the game. He should get murdered by any grandmaster but who knows...its Efren.

I wonder what kind of openings Efren plays; maybe they'll have a transcription of the game.
 
> At the 1994 U.S. Open,Someone made arrangements to have a Grand Master that lives in the Tidewater area come in and play Efren,I never heard if there was actual action on it or not. I stood and watched the first game,and Efren beat him in just 5 moves. From what I understand,he eventually beat Efren,but also lost a couple games in the process. Efren has an almost autistic talent for games of all types,apparently. In addition to pool and chess,he is said to be an astute card player,in several different games,along with parcheesi,backgammon,and even dominoes. Back 10-15 years ago,Bill Incardona was among the very best gin rummy players in the world,according to Billy's story Efren offered to play Billy for money and had never played the game before in his life. For all we know,someone could put a Playstation controller in his hand and he beats the world playing Madden '06. Tommy D.
 
Coon Can

Tommy-D said:
>... In addition to pool and chess,he is said to be an astute card player,in several different games,along with parcheesi,backgammon,and even dominoes. Back 10-15 years ago,Bill Incardona was among the very best gin rummy players in the world,according to Billy's story Efren offered to play Billy for money and had never played the game before in his life. For all we know,someone could put a Playstation controller in his hand and he beats the world playing Madden '06. Tommy D.
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When Efren was hanging in Chicago he was introduced to a card game played exclusively by Blacks. It's called Coon Can. Efren quickly robbed all the top Coon Can players in Chicago. Efren is not from this planet.

the Beard

Bank on, brother! Old school pool.
 
cueball1950 said:
OK... I know it is not pool related other than it concerns Efren Reyes But on Az billiards home page it was mentioned that Efren Reyes was going to play a Grand Master in chess in the Philippines, I was just wondering how he did?????? So any information from our friends on here from there would be greatly appreciated.......................mike
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Efren would stand absolutely NO CHANCE of beating a Grand Master. I can say this confidently because I watched him play several games, one against my 12 year old nephew(Brian). Brian lost a very close game to Efren but in his defense he was very nervous and was intimidated by the crowd and all the side betting going on. If they played in a quiet room without much of an audience I'm pretty sure Brian would destroy him.
I personally didn`t see anyone playing real quality Chess.

George<-----had his camera with him

This was at Snooker`s in Providence, R.I.
 

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For anyone who is not sure what the ELO rating's are or what the numbers mean I thought I would offer up an explaination to clue some people in.

0-1000 - Average player or in pool terminology a banger
1000-1199- D player
1200-1499- C Player
1500-1799- B Player
1800-1999- A Player - supposedly Efren
2000-2199 - Expert-or in pool terminology a AAA player
2200- 2499- Master- or in pool terminology shortstop
2500 + - Grandmaster- or pro

Im not sure if it is official but I have heard Gary Kasparov and Vladmir Kramnik who both have ratings of 2800 +, refered to as Super Grandmaster.

Anyone within a 100 point or even 200 point range of eachother can win. But a 1800 player beating a 2000 + player would be fairly rare, especially in a match situation. There is very little chance of Reyes picking up a game against someone rated 2500.

To put this into perspective, when I was 17 I played alot of chess and competively (or as much as I could). I had a rating of 2153, and I played someone (for fun) who claimed to be a Grandmaster, and boy did I lose. Its not just the knowledge and the forethought its also a very different psychology of competition.

I think this match would be fun, but Efren supporters should not expect any surprises. It would be like an A pool player playing a One pocket match against Efren. No hope in hell.

Regards
 
George said:
Efren would stand absolutely NO CHANCE of beating a Grand Master. I can say this confidently because I watched him play several games, one against my 12 year old nephew(Brian). Brian lost a very close game to Efren but in his defense he was very nervous and was intimidated by the crowd and all the side betting going on. If they played in a quiet room without much of an audience I'm pretty sure Brian would destroy him.
I personally didn`t see anyone playing real quality Chess.

George<-----had his camera with him

This was at Snooker`s in Providence, R.I.
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Thats quite impressive if your 12 year old son is capable of beating Efren (supposedly 1800 chess player). At that age most people are impressed if their kids are able to break 1000 point range. If your son enjoys chess then nurture that ability and you may have a future US Open champion on your hands. He's certainly young enough to improve his game to incredible heights. I started playing around his age and by 17 I had a 2158 rating. Im sure he would be capable of an even greater rating within 5 years.

regards
Cameron-is living in the past, 5 years of chess neglect has reduced his rating to 1900 something or other.
 
Tommy-D said:
> At the 1994 U.S. Open,Someone made arrangements to have a Grand Master that lives in the Tidewater area come in and play Efren,I never heard if there was actual action on it or not. I stood and watched the first game,and Efren beat him in just 5 moves. From what I understand,he eventually beat Efren,but also lost a couple games in the process. Efren has an almost autistic talent for games of all types,apparently. In addition to pool and chess,he is said to be an astute card player,in several different games,along with parcheesi,backgammon,and even dominoes. Back 10-15 years ago,Bill Incardona was among the very best gin rummy players in the world,according to Billy's story Efren offered to play Billy for money and had never played the game before in his life. For all we know,someone could put a Playstation controller in his hand and he beats the world playing Madden '06. Tommy D.
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Efren beat him in just 5 moves.....Anyone who plays chess even remotely well can defend the mate which it likely was. The gm was probably just messing with him.
 
Tommy-D said:
> At the 1994 U.S. Open,Someone made arrangements to have a Grand Master that lives in the Tidewater area come in and play Efren,I never heard if there was actual action on it or not. I stood and watched the first game,and Efren beat him in just 5 moves. From what I understand,he eventually beat Efren,but also lost a couple games in the process. Efren has an almost autistic talent for games of all types,apparently. In addition to pool and chess,he is said to be an astute card player,in several different games,along with parcheesi,backgammon,and even dominoes. Back 10-15 years ago,Bill Incardona was among the very best gin rummy players in the world,according to Billy's story Efren offered to play Billy for money and had never played the game before in his life. For all we know,someone could put a Playstation controller in his hand and he beats the world playing Madden '06. Tommy D.
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I have heard from reliable sources that Efren would be rated between 1800 and 1900 which is very high for a recreational player. The highest pool player I have ever heard of is Danny Barouty who is rated over 2200. I had Evengy Bareev at the Derby two years ago and we offered Efren's backers 5 to 1 on the money for a match they could bet up to 20k. The response was Efren plays pool. He may love the game and be a good player but by no means is he world class. We took Evengy to New York and he played and beat the best the city had to offer, and New York per Capita has the best players in the U.S
 
> I don't know a whole lot about chess period,so that Grand Master may have laid down. All I saw was Efren move exactly 5 times and that was it for the first game. After about 4 moves each the second game,I left to go watch Earl warm up. Is Kasparov still considered the strongest player ever? Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
> I don't know a whole lot about chess period,so that Grand Master may have laid down. All I saw was Efren move exactly 5 times and that was it for the first game. After about 4 moves each the second game,I left to go watch Earl warm up. Is Kasparov still considered the strongest player ever? Tommy D.
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I believe Efren and the Grandmaster were just messing around, or at least the Grandmaster.

As far as I am aware Kasparov is still considered the strongest player ever, he was #1 ranked up until his retirement last year after winning Linares. His highest rating was 2851. However Vladmir Kramnik (2809) and most recently Veselin Topalov (2801), are biting at his heels. Before Kasparov though I think Bobby Fischer may have had the strongest rating with 2797. However this doesn't account for any of the players that came before the ELO rating started. Kasparov without a doubt is the strongest player ever but the other person in consideration Alexander Alekhine, who between 1927 and 1935 lost 7 out of 238 games.


I know thats more info than you asked for, but I like talking about chess :)

regards
 
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Interesting discussion. How does one go about determining/calculating a chess player's rating?
 
There was a few rankings that were put together based on more factors than ratings, times vs computers, etc. and Bobby came out on top. Kramnik wasn't up there because of lackluster performances against quality competition. Not that he hasn't beaten good players but if you look at his record on who showed up at the tournaments he won he was not as strong as Bobby or Kasparov. Fischer offered to play Kasparov Fischerandom Chess but Kasparov declined. Many think that Kasparov was a book player studying history and lacked Bobby's imagination to come up with lines and moves that were in the face of what has been.
 
For those that want to inform themselves.

i should have posted it in the favorite website thread.

As to who is the all time greatest-

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2345
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2354
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2372

and the most RECENT tournament which has the top 2 players in the world in it after Kasparov retiring, Topalov and Anand.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2881

And Efrens good, but not THAT good.
I've beaten him both times i played him for $$$ and i'm not any type of master.
Plays good, but he's not fantastic.
 
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