Who would win - USA pros vs. Phillipines pros
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i think the philippines won that in 1993... just read it though not sure.
bandido said:
i think the philippines won that in 1993... just read it though not sure.
Taiwan vs. Philippines
" think the taiwanese are the only ones that would stand a chance in a team competition against the philipinos at 9 ball."
Yes they could, but I would not put my money on that. I remember right after the World Championship, the top Taiwanese players like Chao, Yang, Kuo, Chang and Wu went to the Philippines to play against the 2nd stringers (then) namely Manalo, Orcullo, Kiamco, etc and they (Taiwanese) were beaten pretty handily. And this was WITHOUT Efren and Busta!!! Now Manalo and Orcullo are rising superstars of this sport and have gained the experience and confidence in joining a lot of tournaments in Asia and the US. So the Filipino team is really a force to be reckoned with.
The last San Miguel tour was won by Ramil Gallego in a field that included Yang, Chao, Wu, Manalo, Efren and Busta. So that means they really have a lot of talent over there.
I believe the Germans stand a better chance of beating team Philippines at this point. Remember, Souquet almost always beats Efren. But do not count Efren out. When they are playing for the big money ($100,000 plus), he seems to prevail most of the time.
" think the taiwanese are the only ones that would stand a chance in a team competition against the philipinos at 9 ball."
Yes they could, but I would not put my money on that. I remember right after the World Championship, the top Taiwanese players like Chao, Yang, Kuo, Chang and Wu went to the Philippines to play against the 2nd stringers (then) namely Manalo, Orcullo, Kiamco, etc and they (Taiwanese) were beaten pretty handily. And this was WITHOUT Efren and Busta!!! Now Manalo and Orcullo are rising superstars of this sport and have gained the experience and confidence in joining a lot of tournaments in Asia and the US. So the Filipino team is really a force to be reckoned with.
The last San Miguel tour was won by Ramil Gallego in a field that included Yang, Chao, Wu, Manalo, Efren and Busta. So that means they really have a lot of talent over there.
I believe the Germans stand a better chance of beating team Philippines at this point. Remember, Souquet almost always beats Efren. But do not count Efren out. When they are playing for the big money ($100,000 plus), he seems to prevail most of the time.
Well, I want to know what channel it'll be on- I'll be watching fer sher!
a few thoughts...
a) I think Parica's runner up in an extreemly strong US Open field last year is better than anything orculla has done recently, although Reno and the bar box results are obviously excellent.
b) Anyone of the German, Taiwanese or Phillipino temas could win if it was 9 ball (also probably one or two other nations too like Holland for example)
c) We'll get some indication from the upcoming Matchroom WORLD CUP, which I believe will be two players per nation playing scotch doubles, think its 9 ball?
a) I think Parica's runner up in an extreemly strong US Open field last year is better than anything orculla has done recently, although Reno and the bar box results are obviously excellent.
b) Anyone of the German, Taiwanese or Phillipino temas could win if it was 9 ball (also probably one or two other nations too like Holland for example)
c) We'll get some indication from the upcoming Matchroom WORLD CUP, which I believe will be two players per nation playing scotch doubles, think its 9 ball?
does anyone think there would be a protest from players of opposing teams (if such and event were to happen) regarding pagulayan representing canada in other competitions, he must have dual citizenship.
regarding the question i think its all speculation as each country mentioned has the ability to put together a very skilled 5 man team. its an event i for one would love to see
regarding the question i think its all speculation as each country mentioned has the ability to put together a very skilled 5 man team. its an event i for one would love to see
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In one of the more recent Taiwan Green Cups held in Taiwan, where its the Taiwanese players vs the rest of the world, I remember even superstars like Efren Reyes could not defeat the Taiwanese second stringers.f210 said:
I guess home advantage makes a ton of difference
sjm said:
I couldn't agree more. Germany is the top professionally represented country right behind the Philippines as of this moment. If the game was 14.1, I think the Germans are favored heavily. But, all the other games, I'd give the nod to the Philippines, with a close battle if the game was 9-ball.
Just read the other responses, and I would be foolish not to consider the Taiwanese players in the mix as well.
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Maybe two or three months ago, I would have said that Team Philippines would win at every pool discipline except for straight pool, since straight pool would definitely go to the Germans.sjm said:
But now that Souquet won this year's DCC 9ball event and the BCA, and Engert won the Florida Open 10-ball event, and Hohmann is still Hohmann, I don't know if Team Philippines would be a lock to beat Team Germany in a 9ball or 10ball event. (Don't forget about Team Taiwan!)
But it is interesting to note the two totally contrasting styles of game between the Filipinos and the Germans. Filipinos growing up with a steady dose of 15-ball rotation, while the Germans raised on straight pool. Going back to the versatility thread, both nations make a good case of what game gives you the most versatility.
I think the determining factor would be IPT 8ball, since 8ball combines some aspects of both rotation and straight pool. Sure the Filipinos dominated the KOTH event, but i just think that Hohmann and Souquet had an off tournament. It's just too bad that Engert never got his tour card, and I don't know about Roschkowski.
As for us Americans, unless we have three Archers and two Deuels on the same team, we don't have a chance at anything in a team format.
Since the thread is between USA vs Philippines, I would go for Philippines. It already happened once in 1993, where Team USA was beaten by Team Philippines 5 days in a row in Manila. That was after the Filipinos was crowned World Team champion agaisnt Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico defeated USA in the semi finals. I am a follower of 9 ball and other pool events in USA , Europe and Asia, and until now it seems that big championships are still dominated by Asians followed by Europeans.
I think it was a decade ago or so... the Philippines went up against Team USA havin Davenport, VArner and I forgot who else... against the PI's Efren, Jose Parica and some that slipped my mind... it was a game of 9ball shot clock billiards... the Philippine team won.
Philippines...I don't know. Save for Reyes, I don't think their other players are any better than say Morris or Deuel. Certainly not better than Strickland. Jones and Archer are experts at torturing their opponents with slow play, nobody gets in stroke while playing them...and there you have it...it's anybody's game.
linds said:Orignal members of Team Philippines were Efren, Django, Amang, Boyet del Rosario and Edgar Acaba. They later on substituted Andam and Luat for Boyet and Edgar.
I think Team USA then were Archer, Varner, Sigel, Davenport and Rempe.
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Yeah that was it... was too young to remember that time
Have to go with the Pinoys
I like this thread, the original question, USA vs. Philippines?
It's not really fair actually. I mean c'mon Team Philippines has the best player in the known universe. The next four guys (doesn't matter who they choose) are not so bad either (being sarcastic). If rotation is one of the disciplines there will be no contest. Efren, Ronnie Alcano, and Leonardo Andam dominate. All Filipinos play roataion regurlarly for money. They even play it in leagues there, check the EPT website.
In nine ball it's anyone's game. The USA would do well in the One Pocket division except against Efren. In Eight ball the Filipinos have the edge. If they play banks then the edge goes to the US especially if they have Jason Miller. Hard to say about 14.1. Ten ball, I was in Manila last December and saw several money games and all matches except one match of Ronnie and Efren playing roatation, they were playing Ten ball. And Recently Dennis Orcullo has been the money king.
Alex bowed out of the San Miguel Tour after playing in the first leg Ho Chi Minh. I watched that live and when they showed his stats they had him as playing under the Canadian flag. I am still curious and confused about this. I know for a fact he has dual status. But I heard that he cannot not play under the Filipino flag unless he gives up his Canadian citizenship. And that in all international events he has to be listed as Canadian because he started playing under that flag. But, he *did* represent the Philippines in the last SEA games taking gold. I read on AZB he begged Putch Puyat off the tour because he had other commitments but that sounds suspect to me. They had to have a last minute qualifying tournament to find his replacement.
In the end I'd have to say the Philippines would have the edge. Just because of how the Filipinos show that they can send almost anyone over to the US and they do well. Wether in big money games or major tournaments. Can the US say that about their guys going to play in the Philippines? Or Asia for that matter. Just look at World's the past few years, with the exception of Rodney and Johnny they get knocked out pretty quick and pretty regularly by Asian players.
Now to go off on a tangent might as well make it some massive tournament and include Team Taiwan, and Team Europe (could be the Mosconi team) or a team Germany, Japan could field a pretty good team too. Make it round robin groups have all countries play each other in different diciplines. Then once and for all, at least for a year, they can settle where the best players come from in the world.
Someone *has* to set this up. This match would be the buzz of the pool world. Make it live on tv and for big big stakes and over hype the hell out of it. Record it and sell it as dvds. Sounds like a Kevin Trudeau event to me.
I like this thread, the original question, USA vs. Philippines?
It's not really fair actually. I mean c'mon Team Philippines has the best player in the known universe. The next four guys (doesn't matter who they choose) are not so bad either (being sarcastic). If rotation is one of the disciplines there will be no contest. Efren, Ronnie Alcano, and Leonardo Andam dominate. All Filipinos play roataion regurlarly for money. They even play it in leagues there, check the EPT website.
In nine ball it's anyone's game. The USA would do well in the One Pocket division except against Efren. In Eight ball the Filipinos have the edge. If they play banks then the edge goes to the US especially if they have Jason Miller. Hard to say about 14.1. Ten ball, I was in Manila last December and saw several money games and all matches except one match of Ronnie and Efren playing roatation, they were playing Ten ball. And Recently Dennis Orcullo has been the money king.
Alex bowed out of the San Miguel Tour after playing in the first leg Ho Chi Minh. I watched that live and when they showed his stats they had him as playing under the Canadian flag. I am still curious and confused about this. I know for a fact he has dual status. But I heard that he cannot not play under the Filipino flag unless he gives up his Canadian citizenship. And that in all international events he has to be listed as Canadian because he started playing under that flag. But, he *did* represent the Philippines in the last SEA games taking gold. I read on AZB he begged Putch Puyat off the tour because he had other commitments but that sounds suspect to me. They had to have a last minute qualifying tournament to find his replacement.
In the end I'd have to say the Philippines would have the edge. Just because of how the Filipinos show that they can send almost anyone over to the US and they do well. Wether in big money games or major tournaments. Can the US say that about their guys going to play in the Philippines? Or Asia for that matter. Just look at World's the past few years, with the exception of Rodney and Johnny they get knocked out pretty quick and pretty regularly by Asian players.
Now to go off on a tangent might as well make it some massive tournament and include Team Taiwan, and Team Europe (could be the Mosconi team) or a team Germany, Japan could field a pretty good team too. Make it round robin groups have all countries play each other in different diciplines. Then once and for all, at least for a year, they can settle where the best players come from in the world.
Someone *has* to set this up. This match would be the buzz of the pool world. Make it live on tv and for big big stakes and over hype the hell out of it. Record it and sell it as dvds. Sounds like a Kevin Trudeau event to me.
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Pagulayan, Manalo and Busta not better then Morris, Duel and Jones?
"Philippines...I don't know. Save for Reyes, I don't think their other players are any better than say Morris or Deuel. Certainly not better than Strickland. Jones and Archer are experts at torturing their opponents with slow play, nobody gets in stroke while playing them...and there you have it...it's anybody's game."
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I do not agree at all with this observation. I think Manalo, Busta, Pagulayan and even Orcullo are currently at par if not better than these American players you mentioned. Morris, Duel and Jones were just in the recently concluded Reno tournament and Orcullo won that one. Gandy Valle, Kiamco and Edwin Montal even performed better than the above mentioned players.
"Philippines...I don't know. Save for Reyes, I don't think their other players are any better than say Morris or Deuel. Certainly not better than Strickland. Jones and Archer are experts at torturing their opponents with slow play, nobody gets in stroke while playing them...and there you have it...it's anybody's game."
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I do not agree at all with this observation. I think Manalo, Busta, Pagulayan and even Orcullo are currently at par if not better than these American players you mentioned. Morris, Duel and Jones were just in the recently concluded Reno tournament and Orcullo won that one. Gandy Valle, Kiamco and Edwin Montal even performed better than the above mentioned players.
bandido said:
Thanks for the information on all the players we are unfamiliar with. Looks like they have the depth to dominate for years to come.
So they have a 2nd-4th string, (2nd string = Ronnie Alcano, Warren Kiamco, Antonio Gabica, Nikoy Lining, Gandy Valle, 3rd string = Jerome Pena, Carlo Boado, Joven Bustamante, Allan Cuartero, Russian Ceniza (watched him beat Sambajon with Santos getting the wild 7), 4th string = Victor Arpilleda, Deo Mark Alpajora, Jeffrey de Luna and 2 17 year olds), so I am guessing their 5th string would be Parica, Luat, Andam, Santos and a 16 year old?!!
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Blue_Suede said:
I'd have to say 'Team America - F**k No!!!' Don't get me wrong. I'm a loyal and loving citizen and, while I love the Team America reference, we wouldn't stand a chance. Pagaluyan is a powerhouse. Busta is one of the best in the world! Manolo and Orcullo are both at the top of their game at the moment!!! And Efren... well, he's Efren!!
Team USA:
Archer
Strickland
Jones???
(You pick Jeremy Jones over Rodney Morris???)Duel
McCready (Don't get me wrong! I love him but this spot would be a swing spot. Either Keith, Gabe Owen, or Shawn Putnam could fill this one.)
Team Phillipines:
Reyes
Bustamante
Pagulayan
Manalo
Orcullo
Busta is one of the best in the world! Alex is an unstoppable force! Manolo and Orcullo are both at the top of the their game. And Efren, well... he's Efren!
Team USA wouldn't stand a chance. sjm's team Germany would be a solid contender but as would team Taiwan riding on the strength of Chao, Wu, Kuo, and a few others.