who's to blame here????

danquixote

danquixote

DanQuixote
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So there I was....went to the local snowbunny bar to practice a bit. Got me a roll of quarters and a ? good Valley barbox to play on with no distractions. I've played about 4 racks and am feeling loose.... I go to the bar and order a beer. When I return to the table some guy and a teenager have begun play with my rack...(I had already paid for and racked a game with nobody indicating they wished to play next)...so i say nothing and place another dollars worth of quarters on the rail....the guy beats the teenager by about 3 balls ( 8 ball game) but tells his son....you play him...but don't play him for money! I rack and the teenager breaks....Stripes on the break....but no shot! I run about 4 balls and shoot safe....the kid asks his father if that is legal....and daddy says yes....I'm thinkin....I really don't want to humilliate this kid....so I start playin low percentage shots.....seeing a chance to improve my game....while not intentionally throwing off.....the kid has a chance....and I am learning.....win/win.....well the kid beats me by a ball...I say congrats and rerack.....now daddy steps up and says he will play me ....But!!!!! he wants to play for a drink.....no prob.....I lay off a bit and daddy wins by 3 balls......now I can't honestly say I was just not wantin daddy to look bad in front of his son....no....I was waitin for the next shoe to drop....well sure enough.....Daddy asks to play for $10 on the next game....I'm gettin pissed now....I treated your son fairly when you used him as a shill....No freakin mercy dude.....$70 dollars later....daddy has eaten enough crow...and calls it a night....Reflecting on the situation....did I hustle him....or simply teach him some humility.......Your Opinions appreciated.
 
I think you just put him in his place, he is the one that instigated playing for money in hopes that you were a pushover and he would make a quick dollar and it didn't work out for him.
 
disgraceful!!

You should be ashamed of yourself for stealing that father's money
in front of his son. Since you don't know them and cannot return
the money and give him an apology I suggest that you send it to
me and I will see that it gets donated to a proper charity. That should resolve any guilt feelings that you may have. PM me for my address.:yeah:
 
12310bch said:
You should be ashamed of yourself for stealing that father's money
in front of his son. Since you don't know them and cannot return
the money and give him an apology I suggest that you send it to
me and I will see that it gets donated to a proper charity. That should resolve any guilt feelings that you may have. PM me for my address.:yeah:
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Upon learning of your selfless giving to charitable causes...I googled charity and sent your e-mail addy via this forum to all listed organizations. I trust the response will be as overwhelming as one such as yourself is deserving.....lol.....Dan
 
Blame?

I would suggest no one is to blame - you played some guy and beat him out of 70 dolleroes - good for you mate - then again he may be thinking he made a 70 dollar investment - either way - thats why we play the game aint it?

if you hang around mesikins long enough you gotta expect to eat some beans - not that there is any thing wrong with either!
 
There is an old saying- You can't get robbed unless you're looking to rob somebody- Sounds to me like this guy fell into his own trap- too bad you didn't beat him for $700.
 
play your best

Just play your best at all times and you are not hustling.

Also there is no score in 8-ball you either win or lose.
 
Dad is

Dad is the blame! Son will become a small time hustler and sucker just like his dad if he doesn't pay attention to the other people around him.

You may have laid down a little but you didn't instigate the action. Dad got dollar signs in his eyes and thought he would make a few bucks at your expense. Sounds like Dad knew enough to know better than to take the table to begin with too which makes me wonder about other character defects.

Doubtful, but this could be the groundwork for a real hustle. If Dad wants to play you again don't play him for over twenty a game to start. That way you are playing on over three barrels of his money by my way of cyphering. I'd keep into his money all the way now. I've made a small time hustler crazy many a time by letting him talk me into upping the bet little by little so that I was always playing on his dime and he always thought he was going to get a chance to get his money back in a hurry and mine too when the bet was right.

Remember with the rare exception of a well laid con, you can't hustle a man that isn't trying to beat you out of your money. I always figured would be hustlers were fair game.

Hu




danquixote said:
So there I was....went to the local snowbunny bar to practice a bit. Got me a roll of quarters and a ? good Valley barbox to play on with no distractions. I've played about 4 racks and am feeling loose.... I go to the bar and order a beer. When I return to the table some guy and a teenager have begun play with my rack...(I had already paid for and racked a game with nobody indicating they wished to play next)...so i say nothing and place another dollars worth of quarters on the rail....the guy beats the teenager by about 3 balls ( 8 ball game) but tells his son....you play him...but don't play him for money! I rack and the teenager breaks....Stripes on the break....but no shot! I run about 4 balls and shoot safe....the kid asks his father if that is legal....and daddy says yes....I'm thinkin....I really don't want to humilliate this kid....so I start playin low percentage shots.....seeing a chance to improve my game....while not intentionally throwing off.....the kid has a chance....and I am learning.....win/win.....well the kid beats me by a ball...I say congrats and rerack.....now daddy steps up and says he will play me ....But!!!!! he wants to play for a drink.....no prob.....I lay off a bit and daddy wins by 3 balls......now I can't honestly say I was just not wantin daddy to look bad in front of his son....no....I was waitin for the next shoe to drop....well sure enough.....Daddy asks to play for $10 on the next game....I'm gettin pissed now....I treated your son fairly when you used him as a shill....No freakin mercy dude.....$70 dollars later....daddy has eaten enough crow...and calls it a night....Reflecting on the situation....did I hustle him....or simply teach him some humility.......Your Opinions appreciated.
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> Things like that happen if you spend enough time around the game. Don't sweat the situation. As long as they didn't go hungry cause he lost,or had to walk home,or the guy gets mad and takes it out on the kid with you as a witness (or later),chalk it up to there being some odd cats walking this planet :cool:. There WILL be occasions where someone is "off",and these should be handled VERY carefully.

One suggestion though. Looking at single games of 8-ball in terms of how many balls they have left is a mentality you have to squash.

Those of us that have been around long enough have played 1000s of games where the opponent ran all their balls,but didn't make the 8,and we still won. Vice versa as well.

You get paid for leaving your opponent with balls on the table,if at all possible. How many they have left,if any,is irrelevant.

Instead of individual racks,the outcome at the end is really all that matters.

It shows a good character to have asked the original question though. It would be weird to be put in that spot. The game with the kid was one thing. I probably would have done the same thing. Once Dad mentioned money,it would have been open season,unless I thought something wasn't right or saw a potential problem down the road. Good thinking on your part. Tommy D.
 
Fair is fair it shouldn't matter if his son was there or not, He stepped up and wanted to gamble. Apperently he thought he had enough hustle to get over on you. At least he didnt try to throw the ( your takeing money away from my kid card) LOL. If he didn't have it to lose he should have never challenged. At least he taught his kid a lesson, pay your depts. <ED
 
Tommy-D said:
> Things like that happen if you spend enough time around the game. Don't sweat the situation. As long as they didn't go hungry cause he lost,or had to walk home,or the guy gets mad and takes it out on the kid with you as a witness (or later),chalk it up to there being some odd cats walking this planet :cool:. There WILL be occasions where someone is "off",and these should be handled VERY carefully.

One suggestion though. Looking at single games of 8-ball in terms of how many balls they have left is a mentality you have to squash.

Those of us that have been around long enough have played 1000s of games where the opponent ran all their balls,but didn't make the 8,and we still won. Vice versa as well.

You get paid for leaving your opponent with balls on the table,if at all possible. How many they have left,if any,is irrelevant.

Instead of individual racks,the outcome at the end is really all that matters.

It shows a good character to have asked the original question though. It would be weird to be put in that spot. The game with the kid was one thing. I probably would have done the same thing. Once Dad mentioned money,it would have been open season,unless I thought something wasn't right or saw a potential problem down the road. Good thinking on your part. Tommy D.
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I used the "balls left" description to hopefully explain the disparity in our levels of play. I do not view balls left as an indicator of how well I have done. Your right....games won ...is the final say so. On a side note however.....the league I play in uses the # of balls left on the table by the loser as a factor in handicapping.
 
bad@ss dad isn't so bad@ss.. there's people like that crawling all over the place. Just because he has a kid with him doesn't mean a thing about him personally.
 
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