Why a Full Splice?

Biloxi Boy said:
So, when cues were "one piece" the full splice was employed to prevent warpage and to join a heavy butt to a lighter shaft.

Once joints were used, however, they could accomplish both of these goals without the full splice.

Is it fair to say that in a jointed cue, a full splice is simply aesthetic?

If not, what does it accomplish?
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Have you ever played with a nice cue that was made from a fs blank??? A lot of people think they have a better hit. They also appreciate the skill in making one. Here are some made by the master J. Davis: http://www.superiorcues.com/JDBlanks1.html Most 2pc cues have joints to attach handle, forearm and butt that use a bolt/screw of some sort and many feel this changes/alters/ruins the hit.
 
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mark187 said:
UK halls are also pretty filthy also, but pro tournaments are mostly held in theatres. This video has a time lapse of the crucible theatre immediately following the conclusion of the world championship final. It's quite amazing how much work they do to get the venue right, the same as I'd imagine they set up for a big theatre production.

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That's interesting. What kind of flooring is that? It looks like a roll of carpet but they painted it after they rolled it out. Is it rubber?
 
garczar said:
Have you ever played with a nice cue that was made from a fs blank??? A lot of people think they have a better hit. They also appreciate the skill in making one. Here are some made by the master J. Davis: http://www.superiorcues.com/JDBlanks1.html Most 2pc cues have joints to attach handle, forearm and butt that use a bolt/screw of some sort and many feel this changes/alters/ruins the hit.
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Great eye candy. Every time someone would post John Davis blanks I would look at them all. Never bought one but always enjoyed looking at them.
 
Right. Aesthetics. Every player I have owned over the years was a full splice -- except a Cog PJ, which also hit fine. Plus shot with thousands of full splice house cues over the years -- many of which are, in all liklihood, now "custom" cues. Back to original question, Does the full splice cushion, or diffuse, the impact and thereby create a better hit?
 
Biloxi Boy said:
Right. Aesthetics. Every player I have owned over the years was a full splice -- except a Cog PJ, which also hit fine. Plus shot with thousands of full splice house cues over the years -- many of which are, in all liklihood, now "custom" cues. Back to original question, Does the full splice cushion, or diffuse, the impact and thereby create a better hit?
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Actually its the opposite. I'm no physicist but i think a FS design allows more of the vibration/feedback of the hit to get to the handle thus the shooter. A cue with bolts/screws holding it together would tend to mute these. You seem obsessed with an answer here. Why? Just curious.
 
mark187 said:
I think it's just foam underlay, which presumably they glued or taped to the existing stage floor. That would explain why it seems to be a bugger to get it up. One year, I remember reading, that they put a nylon carpet down, which gave all the players static shocks. Think they ended up wetting the floor every day and players were slipping all over the place. I think some venues use carpet tiles now instead, so that they can quick fix if anything like that happens.

What isn't seen in that video is all the structural work they would have carried out. That video is 7 or 8 years old, and at that time the Crucible stage had a sprung floor. Don't envy the table fitters back then.

We've gone way off topic here, but I suppose it shows why investment in a sport means things can get done properly, and events aren't cheapened by poor conditions.
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It's a cool story about pool. That's never off topic. I'd like to see a video of them playing with static electricity and wet floors. Were they still dragging their cues around on the wet floor?
 
I am curious about everything. If there is as reason or explanation, I like to know it. It's an educational process. To review:

1. It seems likely that the reason for a full splice in a ONE PIECE cue was to prevent warping and/or join heavy butt to light shaft.

2. A TWO PIECE JOINTED cue would not need a full splice to avoid warping and/or to join heavy butt to light shaft.

3. Early on, the TWO PIECE JOINTED cues were fabricated from new or used ONE PIECE cues so the full splice already existed in the raw materials.

4. As the art developed, cuemakers continued to incorporate full splices WHICH THEY, OR A BLANK SUPPLIER, HAD TO FABRICATE when warping and/or weight issues had been eliminated by the joint.

Logic dictates that since later cuemakers continued to go through the trouble of making a full splice after warping and weight issues were eliminated by joints, there must be a reason -- maybe its just aesthetics, as I have said. Maybe tradition. Both answers satisfy me. But everyone keeps saying that full splices have a different, or better, HIT which implicates an additional functional aspect of a full splice. I like to know why things are as they are, not just what they are.
 
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Biloxi Boy said:
I am curious about everything. If there is as reason or explaination, I like to know it. It's an educational process. To review:

1. It seems likely that the reason for a full splice in a ONE PIECE cue was to prevent warping and/or join heavy butt to light shaft.

2. A TWO PIECE JOINTED cue would not need a full splice to avoid warping and/or to join heavy butt to light shaft.

3. Early on, the TWO PIECE JOINTED cues were fabricated from new or used ONE PIECE cues so the full splice already existed in the raw materials.

4. As the art developed, cuemakers continued to incorporate full splices WHICH THEY, OR A BLANK SUPPLIER, HAD TO FABRICATE when warping and/or weight issues had been eliminated by the joint.

Logic dictates that since later cuemakers continued to go through the trouble of making a full splice after warping and weight issues were eliminated by joints, there must be a reason -- maybe its just aesthetics, as I have said. Maybe tradition. Both answers satisfy me. But everyone keeps saying that full splices have a different, or better, HIT which implicates an additional functional aspect of a full splice. I like to know why things are as they are, not just what they are.
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I'm far from an expert but isn't that one reason some cuemakers core their cues - to prevent warping?
 
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